Hooter, hooter, hooter!

[Znep]

Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.

Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....

Any other thoughts?

[John Williamson]

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Take out battery immediately.

Dismantle, rinse affected parts in distilled water, rinse again in some
innocuous water repellent stuff, dry, reassemble, pray, throw away.
Usually. :-(

With any luck, the HD will still be okay, so your data's not been lost.

Sorry...

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (John Williamson) wrote in

Post by John Williamson

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Take out battery immediately.

Done. Disk TAAW.

Post by John Williamson
Dismantle,

Fallen at the first hurdle - took out all visible screws, but it's not
coming apart. Feck it, there are screws under the point where the screen
hinges. How the hell are you supposed to get them out.

Post by John Williamson
rinse affected parts in distilled water, rinse again in some
innocuous water repellent stuff, dry, reassemble, pray, throw away.
Usually. :-(
With any luck, the HD will still be okay, so your data's not been lost.

Actually, nothing of consequence on there- a couple of Lydia's little
programs in Scratch, not got round to putting much more on there since
the last rebuild.

Post by John Williamson
Sorry...

Time to check the fine print on the policy, methinks.

Arse.

Still, it's new-for-old....

[Frank Erskine]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:32:17 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Fallen at the first hurdle - took out all visible screws, but it's not
coming apart. Feck it, there are screws under the point where the screen
hinges. How the hell are you supposed to get them out.

Ah - I had that promble unmantling a loptap for somebody. ISTR that
you had to undo the hinges (from underneath) so that the screen lifts
out and you can get at the offending screws.
I'm sure these things are specifically molished to be almost
impossible to repair.

On the chamine above I lost a sliver of plastic that was used to jam
a printed ribbon 'cable' into its 'socket'. I still haven't found it
about 2 years later, but I'm sure it'll be on the living-room floor
somewhere.

Meanwhile my kid bruvver Matt, for whom I was trying to effect the
repair, has had the chamine replaced by the vafhenapr pbzcnal, and has
even had the arj one repaired since... He's so clumsy - it's always
the power socket that gets damaged.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Frank Erskine
He's so clumsy - it's always
the power socket that gets damaged.

On my last flatpot it was the normal power socket that failed (it could
still be charged via the docking stand) but not because of clumsiness,
it just wore out, I suppose being plugged/unplugged a several thousand
of times is bound to get it in the end.

[Frank Erskine]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:30:20 +0000, Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Frank Erskine
He's so clumsy - it's always
the power socket that gets damaged.

On my last flatpot it was the normal power socket that failed (it could
still be charged via the docking stand) but not because of clumsiness,
it just wore out, I suppose being plugged/unplugged a several thousand
of times is bound to get it in the end.

I rarely use my lopflat at home - I have two despots as well as the
lopflat, and I've had no mechanical failures of the portative chamine
in around five years (famous last worms...).

[Rusty_Hinge]

Post by Frank Erskine
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:30:20 +0000, Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Frank Erskine
He's so clumsy - it's always
the power socket that gets damaged.

On my last flatpot it was the normal power socket that failed (it could
still be charged via the docking stand) but not because of clumsiness,
it just wore out, I suppose being plugged/unplugged a several thousand
of times is bound to get it in the end.

I rarely use my lopflat at home - I have two despots as well as the
lopflat, and I've had no mechanical failures of the portative chamine
in around five years (famous last worms...).

Out beating today, one of the other beaters asked if I had a spare ATX
bocks. I offered him a PIII 450, but no, he wanted just the bocks.

I goove I have a hfrable one. He's offered an AT tower in exchange -
full tower.

A pootershop ownre once tole me that you cooden hfr ATX innards in an AT
bocks, but the later ones are drilled and threaded for AT and ATX
boreds, and all you do is to transplant the mounting screw-socket
wossnames and replace the PSU.

The tower I'm hfvat now was an AT bocks with a 486 in it, many year sago.

<thinks>

Do I rilly arrq *THREE* full towers?

Can I find a mummyboard these days with enough slots to fill up the
holes in the back?

[Tim Hall]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:54:59 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Dorter did this with her IBM Thinkpad, although it was beer not
lemonade.

Ebay came up with a previously loved keyboard for a tenner or so, IBM
have lots of lovely exploded views andstep by step unmantling
instructions. Half and hour of fiddlng around and lo!,it jbexeth
again.

[Sn!pe]

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.

I did that recently with a ten day old top of the line MacBook Pro,
but with a full glass of white wine.

Post by Znep
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....

Mine was a write off, utterly dead and too hootered to repair.

Post by Znep
Any other thoughts?

Fortunately the insurance coughed up for an arj replacement.
Bad luck, BTW.

[Carl LHS Williams]

Post by Sn!pe

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.

I did that recently with a ten day old top of the line MacBook Pro,
but with a full glass of white wine.

Hah! You'd think Apple'd thought of that...

[Brian Stoates]

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?
--

throw it in the dustbin

[Paul C. Dickie]

Post by Brian Stoates

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?
--

throw it in the dustbin

Use it to replace the book propping up that wonky table?

[Graeme Dods]

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

As has been said, take out the battery and hard drive right away, put them
in a sock and use it to beat the little darlings round the head with.

Alternatively, rinsing with water then alcohol and leaving to dry for a few
days has helped with an old PDA which had coffee poured over it. Why did it
get coffee poured over it? To test if the "rinse with water then alcohol
and dry for a few days" trick I'd heard about worked. Look, I was bored, I
had a few spares in a drawer...

[®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²]

Post by Graeme Dods
As has been said, take out the battery and hard drive right away, put them
in a sock and use it to beat the little darlings round the head with.
Alternatively, rinsing with water then alcohol and leaving to dry for a few
days has helped with an old PDA which had coffee poured over it.

I was going to say summat like that earlier.

Douse it with gin, lick off the XS and leave in an airing cupboard for
a few days.

Then bin it, usually.
Good luck.

I went for a swim in a non-waterproof watch once and it died.
You could see water and condensate under the glass.

I airing-cupboarded it for a week and it recovered, surprisingly.
Next time I took it to a little man for a new battery, he said "Your
battery terminals are a bit rusty" so he cleaned them up and the watch
remains in service

[Carlton Miniott]

Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²

Post by ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²
I went for a swim in a non-waterproof watch once

That's a BIG watch!

[®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:08:43 -0000, Carlton Miniott

Post by Carlton Miniott
Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²

Post by ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²
I went for a swim in a non-waterproof watch once

That's a BIG watch!

Hehe

[Guy King]

Post by Znep
Any other thoughts?

Ostracism?

[Kate XXXXXX]

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Extract payement for replacement from their hides/pockets. That'll larn
'em.

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (Kate XXXXXX) wrote in

Post by Kate XXXXXX

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Extract payement for replacement from their hides/pockets. That'll larn
'em.

She's the main sufferer, to be honest; she now has no net access until
something is there to replace it. Which (I will ensure) will be some
weeks.

[Kate XXXXXX]

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Kate XXXXXX) wrote in

Post by Kate XXXXXX

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Extract payement for replacement from their hides/pockets. That'll larn
'em.

She's the main sufferer, to be honest; she now has no net access until
something is there to replace it. Which (I will ensure) will be some
weeks.

T'lad would be without until he'd earned the dosh to replace or repair,
as well as waiting for repair time...

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (Kate XXXXXX) wrote in

Post by Kate XXXXXX

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Kate XXXXXX) wrote in

Post by Kate XXXXXX

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Extract payement for replacement from their hides/pockets. That'll larn
'em.

She's the main sufferer, to be honest; she now has no net access until
something is there to replace it. Which (I will ensure) will be some
weeks.

T'lad would be without until he'd earned the dosh to replace or repair,
as well as waiting for repair time...

Well, the laptop belongs to the company, not to me, so I don't have the
luxury of just ignoring the fact that it's broken. I'll have to phone
the drain insects.

[Kate XXXXXX]

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Kate XXXXXX) wrote in

Post by Kate XXXXXX

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Kate XXXXXX) wrote in

Post by Kate XXXXXX

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Extract payement for replacement from their hides/pockets. That'll larn
'em.

She's the main sufferer, to be honest; she now has no net access until
something is there to replace it. Which (I will ensure) will be some
weeks.

T'lad would be without until he'd earned the dosh to replace or repair,
as well as waiting for repair time...

Well, the laptop belongs to the company, not to me, so I don't have the
luxury of just ignoring the fact that it's broken. I'll have to phone
the drain insects.

That would not stop me not permitting him to use it until he's earned
and paid me for the cost of replacement/repair, to cover the
inconvenience to myself and/or the company.

[Carl LHS Williams]

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.

If only she was more pessimistic, it'd have been half empty and yer'd
prolly have got away with it.

All flatteries out, remove keyboard and possibly rinse in clean water,
leave for several ages to dry out in airing cupboard. Meanwhile,
ohl alternative flaptop...

Post by Znep
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

Erm, nope. SWTP did that to 'er iBook with tea, and all that had gorn was
the "DC in" board, but the tea got in via the power connector, not the
keyboard.

You might find it just recovers when dry - I imagine lemonade is conductive
enough to feck things up if globbed on the teeny close together pins of
modern laptop chippery. Strip the whole thing down and rinse/dry every
bit separately, might be quicker than waiting for it to dry out - wee
drops of water can persist for an astonishingly long time inside laptops.

[Graeme Dods]

- wee drops of water can persist for an astonishingly long time inside laptops.

It was lemonade, not wee.

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:54:59 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

not really, only dis-assemble and clean, but if it was live at the time and
lemonade got to the magic smoke areas, it may be beyond resus.

I'm sure they didn't mean to...

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (Austin Shackles) wrote in

Post by Austin Shackles
On or around Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:54:59 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

not really, only dis-assemble and clean, but if it was live at the time and
lemonade got to the magic smoke areas, it may be beyond resus.
I'm sure they didn't mean to...

Yes, that's their position.

"We've said sorry, can we talk about something else now?"

I'm trying to think up a suitable way to make them (and particularly
Lydia) understand consequences.

No PC for a month (at least) seems the least I can do.

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:21:40 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Austin Shackles) wrote in

Post by Austin Shackles
On or around Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:54:59 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

not really, only dis-assemble and clean, but if it was live at the time and
lemonade got to the magic smoke areas, it may be beyond resus.
I'm sure they didn't mean to...

Yes, that's their position.
"We've said sorry, can we talk about something else now?"
I'm trying to think up a suitable way to make them (and particularly
Lydia) understand consequences.
No PC for a month (at least) seems the least I can do.

oh, quite. Teach 'em to be more careful in future - unless of course it can
be coaxed back into life.

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (Austin Shackles) wrote in

Post by Austin Shackles
On or around Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:21:40 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Austin Shackles) wrote in

Post by Austin Shackles
On or around Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:54:59 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

not really, only dis-assemble and clean, but if it was live at the time and
lemonade got to the magic smoke areas, it may be beyond resus.
I'm sure they didn't mean to...

Yes, that's their position.
"We've said sorry, can we talk about something else now?"
I'm trying to think up a suitable way to make them (and particularly
Lydia) understand consequences.
No PC for a month (at least) seems the least I can do.

oh, quite. Teach 'em to be more careful in future - unless of course it can
be coaxed back into life.

Seems unlikely, on the face of it.

I've gleaned some more info. Apparently, their first reaction was good:
tip it up and drain as much out as poss. They should have left it
tipped up- instead they put it down again- and all the lights went out,
screen went blank etc. I suspect some moisture has got into the sparky
bits and something has gone bang. I'll talk to the insurers, and see if
this is covered. If so, I wonder how it goes? The policy is "new for
old"- but I don't know how they'll work out what's equivalent to this
oldish machine.

I might tip a few quid towards it for a better machine if they offer
something entry-level.

I've been (in an idle moment) playing with the Dell website, and have
specced out my ideal power laptop.

£6,269. Plus VAT. Ah well, if the money fairy comes.

[Rob]

Post by Znep
I've been (in an idle moment) playing with the Dell website, and have
specced out my ideal power laptop.
£6,269. Plus VAT. Ah well, if the money fairy comes.

Good grief!

You could probably get a pair of top-spec MacBook Pros for that. I
thought Apple were supposed to be rkcrafvir.

Regarding the loptap prob, you could always look for an old 486 lappy
with Win 98 on Fleabay and see how she gets on with that (until the
insewerants pays out, but she needn't know that). Postage would probably
cost more that the machine though...

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (Rob) wrote in

Post by Rob

Post by Znep
I've been (in an idle moment) playing with the Dell website, and have
specced out my ideal power laptop.
£6,269. Plus VAT. Ah well, if the money fairy comes.

Good grief!

In fairness, that does include:


Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz,3MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
Windows Vista™ Business x64 SP1 with Downgrade rights to XPx64
17in WUXGA RGB LED Edge To Edge Back-Lit Display (1920x1200) Resolution
Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Backlit Keyboard with number pad
16GB, 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM Memory (4*4096)
320GB SATA (7200RPM) Hard Drive
8X DVD+/-RW Drive Slot Load
1GB NVIDIA Quadro FX3700M (with 1GB dedicated memory)
WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY EMEA Intel WiFi Link 5100 (802.11a/g/ Draft-n
1X2) MiniCard for Centrino 2
EMEA Dell Wireless 370 BlueTooth™ Internal Card edit
Neoprene Black Sleeve Case
FIPS Certified Fingerprint Reader Biometric
Dell 24" UltraSharp Wide Aspect Black (TCO99) Flat Panel Monitor
(2408WFP) (UK/Irish)
3D Connexion SpacePilot motion controller
Microsoft® Office 2007 Professional
Integrated 2 Mega Pixel Camera with Microphone for Edge to Edge Panel
Noble NS20 Dual Head Universal Swivel Lock with Peripheral Cable Trap
5Yr ProSupport for End Users and Next Business Day On-Site Service 4Yr
CompleteCare Multi Cover
Resource DVD Diagnostics and Drivers
3Yr Hard Drive Data Recovery
Also included with your system
Raid Controller : All SATA Hard Drives, Non-RAID for 1 Hard Drive
3Yr Basic Warranty - Next Business Day
UK/Irish 210W AC Adapter with UK/Irish Power Cord
Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION

Post by Rob
You could probably get a pair of top-spec MacBook Pros for that. I
thought Apple were supposed to be rkcrafvir.
Regarding the loptap prob, you could always look for an old 486 lappy
with Win 98 on Fleabay and see how she gets on with that (until the
insewerants pays out, but she needn't know that). Postage would probably
cost more that the machine though...

I want her to miss having the PC for a few weeks. Then perhaps she'll
be more careful.

A few weeks without emails and Club Penguin will be a learning
experience.

[Andy Burns]

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz,3MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)

Why skimp? have the quad core.

320GB SATA (7200RPM) Hard Drive

have two

WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY EMEA Intel WiFi Link 5100 (802.11a/g/ Draft-n
1X2) MiniCard for Centrino 2

go for the 5300 to get 3x3 diversity

EMEA Dell Wireless 370 BlueTooth™ Internal Card edit

have the 410 instead to get UWB

Microsoft® Office 2007 Professional

UAB

Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION

Add a 12 cell battery slice

[Guy King]

Post by Znep
Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION

Cor, you don't want to use primary cells for a laptop, you'll be
replacing them all the time.

[Carl LHS Williams]

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Rob) wrote in

Post by Rob

Post by Znep
I've been (in an idle moment) playing with the Dell website, and have
specced out my ideal power laptop.
£6,269. Plus VAT. Ah well, if the money fairy comes.

Good grief!

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz,3MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
Windows Vista™ Business x64 SP1 with Downgrade rights to XPx64
17in WUXGA RGB LED Edge To Edge Back-Lit Display (1920x1200) Resolution
Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Backlit Keyboard with number pad
16GB, 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM Memory (4*4096)
320GB SATA (7200RPM) Hard Drive
8X DVD+/-RW Drive Slot Load
1GB NVIDIA Quadro FX3700M (with 1GB dedicated memory)
WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY EMEA Intel WiFi Link 5100 (802.11a/g/ Draft-n
1X2) MiniCard for Centrino 2
EMEA Dell Wireless 370 BlueTooth™ Internal Card edit
Neoprene Black Sleeve Case
FIPS Certified Fingerprint Reader Biometric
Dell 24" UltraSharp Wide Aspect Black (TCO99) Flat Panel Monitor
(2408WFP) (UK/Irish)
3D Connexion SpacePilot motion controller
Microsoft® Office 2007 Professional
Integrated 2 Mega Pixel Camera with Microphone for Edge to Edge Panel
Noble NS20 Dual Head Universal Swivel Lock with Peripheral Cable Trap
5Yr ProSupport for End Users and Next Business Day On-Site Service 4Yr
CompleteCare Multi Cover
Resource DVD Diagnostics and Drivers
3Yr Hard Drive Data Recovery
Also included with your system
Raid Controller : All SATA Hard Drives, Non-RAID for 1 Hard Drive
3Yr Basic Warranty - Next Business Day
UK/Irish 210W AC Adapter with UK/Irish Power Cord
Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION

Hmm. I still think that's a tad expensive, for that, considering it's
still not exactly a Snarling Beast in terms of raw CPU - it'd have to have
a pretty sexy lemonade-proof housing, weigh less than 2kg and be a nice
shade of pink before I'd consider it at that rate. And even then, I think
I'd settle for a 600 quid MacBook with home-added 320GB drive, Ununtu,
a 300 quid external 1920x1200 TFT screen for vidjo editing and a nice
shiny arjre VFR750, say, or possibly a decent semipro HD camcorder, or
a year's gliding and meals out, or a Nikon D700 and a few *very* nice
lenses, or...


I saw a *ridiculous* "laptop" in PC whireld the other day:

PCworld product code 484061, HP HDX9450EA - it's the size of a small
building, and the screen is on an awful graunchy swivel stand thing which
will break in 2 minutes - it's *huge*.

[Rusty_Hinge]

Post by Rob
Regarding the loptap prob, you could always look for an old 486 lappy
with Win 98 on Fleabay and see how she gets on with that (until the
insewerants pays out, but she needn't know that). Postage would probably
cost more that the machine though...

Want to borrer my 486 DX4? Colour lcd screen, DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11, 50
MB HDD and not a lot of RAM.

Arrqf arj batri (unobtainable, except as a DIY kit from
somewhere-or-other) but has a powerpack to gee it into action.

It hath a nexternal CD drive, but the drivers got zapped by accident.

Extended loan available, but I don't want to lose the DOS and Win 3.11 -
the floopies they came on (5Œ" for Win and 3œ" ones for the DOS) don't
jbex any more.

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:43:43 GMT, Rusty_Hinge

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Rob
Regarding the loptap prob, you could always look for an old 486 lappy
with Win 98 on Fleabay and see how she gets on with that (until the
insewerants pays out, but she needn't know that). Postage would probably
cost more that the machine though...

Want to borrer my 486 DX4? Colour lcd screen, DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11, 50
MB HDD and not a lot of RAM.
Arrqf arj batri (unobtainable, except as a DIY kit from
somewhere-or-other) but has a powerpack to gee it into action.
It hath a nexternal CD drive, but the drivers got zapped by accident.
Extended loan available, but I don't want to lose the DOS and Win 3.11 -
the floopies they came on (5¼" for Win and 3½" ones for the DOS) don't
jbex any more.

I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3½" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

[Rusty_Hinge]

I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3œ" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

Aye. Transfer them to CD as a percussion.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Austin Shackles
I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3½" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

Aye. Transfer them to CD as a percussion.

take images of them with winimage

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:46:35 +0000, Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Austin Shackles
I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3½" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

Aye. Transfer them to CD as a percussion.

take images of them with winimage

I'm not sure they need anything other than copying. I don't specially
recall them being bootable, ISTR you had to install DOS first, then install
windows. If the first one is bootable, it'll only be a standard boot image.

[John Williamson]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Austin Shackles
I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3½" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

Aye. Transfer them to CD as a percussion.

take images of them with winimage

<Looks at box of mixed floppies>
<Looks at tower unit with both sorts of floppy drive in>
<Looks at clock and decides "Next day off">

DOS from 3.3 to 6.22, except 4.

'Doze from 2.0 to 3.11.

Also GEM 2 and 3.

That should fill a few empty hours and half a CD.

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:21:17 +0000, John Williamson

Post by John Williamson

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Austin Shackles
I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3½" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

Aye. Transfer them to CD as a percussion.

take images of them with winimage

<Looks at box of mixed floppies>
<Looks at tower unit with both sorts of floppy drive in>
<Looks at clock and decides "Next day off">
DOS from 3.3 to 6.22, except 4.
'Doze from 2.0 to 3.11.
Also GEM 2 and 3.
That should fill a few empty hours and half a CD.

Blimey, windows 2. I unforget finding a chamine with that on in Uni.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Austin Shackles
Blimey, windows 2. I unforget finding a chamine with that on in Uni.

I only unforget one chamine with windows 1.0, it wasn't actually ver'
useful, wot with everything being tiled windows rather than the
overlapping, we were still fryvat GEM with Ventura Publisher to people
who were taking steps into DTP, until Windows/286 and Windows/386 came
along, generally Netware + DOS was far more common - game of nsnipes[1]
anyone?

[1] not nsn!pes.

[Esra Sdrawkcab]

On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:38:52 -0000, Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Austin Shackles
Blimey, windows 2. I unforget finding a chamine with that on in Uni.

I only unforget one chamine with windows 1.0, it wasn't actually ver'
useful, wot with everything being tiled windows rather than the
overlapping, we were still fryvat GEM with Ventura Publisher to people
who were taking steps into DTP, until Windows/286 and Windows/386 came
along, generally Netware + DOS was far more common - game of nsnipes[1]
anyone?
[1] not nsn!pes.

Sure; still exists (as long as you run IPX)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipes
but says maybe not!

[Esra Sdrawkcab]

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:21:17 -0000, John Williamson

Post by John Williamson

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Austin Shackles
I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3½" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

Aye. Transfer them to CD as a percussion.

take images of them with winimage

<Looks at box of mixed floppies>
<Looks at tower unit with both sorts of floppy drive in>
<Looks at clock and decides "Next day off">
DOS from 3.3 to 6.22, except 4.

well worth skipping IRRC.

Post by John Williamson
'Doze from 2.0 to 3.11.
Also GEM 2 and 3.
That should fill a few empty hours and half a CD.

It's (or was) all out there if you care to look...

[Esra Sdrawkcab]

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:58:31 -0000, Austin Shackles

Post by Austin Shackles
On or around Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:43:43 GMT, Rusty_Hinge

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Rob
Regarding the loptap prob, you could always look for an old 486 lappy
with Win 98 on Fleabay and see how she gets on with that (until the
insewerants pays out, but she needn't know that). Postage would probably
cost more that the machine though...

Want to borrer my 486 DX4? Colour lcd screen, DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11, 50
MB HDD and not a lot of RAM.
Arrqf arj batri (unobtainable, except as a DIY kit from
somewhere-or-other) but has a powerpack to gee it into action.
It hath a nexternal CD drive, but the drivers got zapped by accident.
Extended loan available, but I don't want to lose the DOS and Win 3.11 -
the floopies they came on (5¼" for Win and 3½" ones for the DOS) don't
jbex any more.

I've an idea I've got win 3.11 on 3½" somewhere, and Novell DOS 7. I guess
I should preserve them for posterity.

MTAAW, but they don't preserve well.

still there may be backups available:
http://www.btmon.com/Applications/Windows/Windows.3.11.and.MS-Dos.6.22.torrent

[Rusty_Hinge]

Post by Znep
I've been (in an idle moment) playing with the Dell website, and have
specced out my ideal power laptop.
£6,269. Plus VAT. Ah well, if the money fairy comes.

I've heard iffy things about eDll hotlips: one fiend reported that every
one in the firm except something like two had been back under warranty.

I bleeve some models are free of that syndrome thobut, but it would be
weel to instiate vests.

[Countess-Palatine Blackberry the Perplexed of Divine Intervention.]

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:35:51 GMT, Rusty_Hinge

Post by Rusty_Hinge
I've heard iffy things about eDll hotlips: one fiend reported that every
one in the firm except something like two had been back under warranty.

That was certainly the case when I was jaybecksing for the Community
Rajo company a few years back. The techies hfrq eDll loptaps to take
around the community teaching people to use electronic music programs,
make jingles, do interviews and so forth and every singe one we ohled
had to go back after about 3 mumfs, either for repair or replacement.

[Carlton Miniott]

Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Countess-Palatine

Post by Countess-Palatine Blackberry the Perplexed of Divine Intervention.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:35:51 GMT, Rusty_Hinge

Post by Rusty_Hinge
I've heard iffy things about eDll hotlips: one fiend reported that every
one in the firm except something like two had been back under warranty.

That was certainly the case when I was jaybecksing for the Community
Rajo company a few years back. The techies hfrq eDll loptaps to take
around the community teaching people to use electronic music programs,
make jingles, do interviews and so forth and every singe one we ohled
had to go back after about 3 mumfs, either for repair or replacement.

L's has never given us any trouble.
But, the Uni used to buy Dell, and there was one batch of machines that
had dodgy hard drives, about half failed in the first 2 years. and then
another batch with dodgy capacitors on the motherboards, about 10%
failed within 18 months. Dell shift a LOT of units and it looks like now
and then they get rooked by some component suppliers. The annoying thing
was the rigmarole we had to go through to get machines fixed - on the
phone to some droid who'd make you check all kinds of stuff and wouldn't
go off-script. Just wouldn't listen to "I've beeen in this business for
25 years and I _know_ when a ahrd drive is dead"

[Countess-Palatine Blackberry the Perplexed of Divine Intervention.]

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:03:57 -0000, Carlton Miniott

Post by Carlton Miniott
Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Countess-Palatine

Post by Countess-Palatine Blackberry the Perplexed of Divine Intervention.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:35:51 GMT, Rusty_Hinge

Post by Rusty_Hinge
I've heard iffy things about eDll hotlips: one fiend reported that every
one in the firm except something like two had been back under warranty.

That was certainly the case when I was jaybecksing for the Community
Rajo company a few years back. The techies hfrq eDll loptaps to take
around the community teaching people to use electronic music programs,
make jingles, do interviews and so forth and every singe one we ohled
had to go back after about 3 mumfs, either for repair or replacement.

L's has never given us any trouble.
But, the Uni used to buy Dell, and there was one batch of machines that
had dodgy hard drives, about half failed in the first 2 years. and then
another batch with dodgy capacitors on the motherboards, about 10%
failed within 18 months. Dell shift a LOT of units and it looks like now
and then they get rooked by some component suppliers. The annoying thing
was the rigmarole we had to go through to get machines fixed - on the
phone to some droid who'd make you check all kinds of stuff and wouldn't
go off-script. Just wouldn't listen to "I've beeen in this business for
25 years and I _know_ when a ahrd drive is dead"

I haveter say that we didn't have that kind of trouble in sending back
didgy gear and/or getting it repaired, but that may have been because
all our stuff was purchased by the Local Authority procurement system
which was still ohling only eDll kit years later and I don't suppose
they wanted to hooter their association.

[Carl LHS Williams]

Post by Carlton Miniott
was the rigmarole we had to go through to get machines fixed - on the
phone to some droid who'd make you check all kinds of stuff and wouldn't
go off-script. Just wouldn't listen to "I've beeen in this business for
25 years and I _know_ when a ahrd drive is dead"

I had that in Morgan cheapo computers, with a laptop I took back in
person. Sales droid was loudly telling me it "could be a software
problem" while it was making death-rattle noises on his desk.

I eventually had to be a *tad* rude. I rather fear I cut across his
speil with something like an annoyed "*just shut the fuck up and
LISTEN to it!*". At which point he conceded that it might possibly
be a hardware issue, and gave me my zbarl back.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Rusty_Hinge
I've heard iffy things about eDll hotlips
I bleeve some models are free of that syndrome thobut

If you stick to the aLituted models you'll be fine, I've seen un-dreads
of the things pass through various IT depts and very few with prombles,
and Mr eDll some comes and replaces bit on them.

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (Rusty_Hinge) wrote in

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Znep
I've been (in an idle moment) playing with the Dell website, and have
specced out my ideal power laptop.
£6,269. Plus VAT. Ah well, if the money fairy comes.

I've heard iffy things about eDll hotlips: one fiend reported that every
one in the firm except something like two had been back under warranty.
I bleeve some models are free of that syndrome thobut, but it would be
weel to instiate vests.

I've had 4 of them, and apart from a huge faff trying to get PCMCIA
jbexing properly under NT4, they've been pretty good.

[Rusty_Hinge]

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Austin Shackles) wrote in

Post by Austin Shackles
On or around Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:54:59 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

not really, only dis-assemble and clean, but if it was live at the time and
lemonade got to the magic smoke areas, it may be beyond resus.
I'm sure they didn't mean to...

Yes, that's their position.
"We've said sorry, can we talk about something else now?"
I'm trying to think up a suitable way to make them (and particularly
Lydia) understand consequences.
No PC for a month (at least) seems the least I can do.

Molish a FO huge (want a full tower?) 386 SX for her, and limit her to
that forra while?

[Znep]

In uk.rec.sheds, (Rusty_Hinge) wrote in

Post by Rusty_Hinge

Post by Znep
In uk.rec.sheds, (Austin Shackles) wrote in

Post by Austin Shackles
On or around Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:54:59 +0000, Znep

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

not really, only dis-assemble and clean, but if it was live at the time and
lemonade got to the magic smoke areas, it may be beyond resus.
I'm sure they didn't mean to...

Yes, that's their position.
"We've said sorry, can we talk about something else now?"
I'm trying to think up a suitable way to make them (and particularly
Lydia) understand consequences.
No PC for a month (at least) seems the least I can do.

Molish a FO huge (want a full tower?) 386 SX for her, and limit her to
that forra while?

I have other machines about the place, not least a couple of old iMacs
that would suffice for basic wibbling. But the point is that she broke
the one that's there for family use, therefore *no* PC until it's fixed
or replaced.

[Alan Dicey]

Post by Znep
Lydia and her little friend managed to tip a half-full glass of lemonade
over the laptop keyboard. Appears to be as dead as a dead thing.
Trying the usual more-in-hope stuff of drying it very slowly.....
Any other thoughts?

I did this with beer (good beer, too, Leffe Brune) and a Lenovo Thinkpad
T60. Everything went black . . .

1) Curse, blame the cat, think about licking up the beer.
2) Find out how to dissassemble the machine (IBM/Lenovo do publish good
docs, if you can find them)
3) Discover amusing design choices made by Lenovo: Memory is right
underneath the touchpad, in the flow path of any liquid.
4) Memory chips (and other large devices) are mounted just clear of the
multilayer circuit board. Wet, sticky beer gets underneath the chips
and shorts out chip legs and through-plated holes and etc.

5) rinse off beer with tap water. Leave boards on edge to dry, blowing
out the water from beneath and between the IC's with air (I used my
airbrush)
6) Get all the keycaps off and clean off the keypad areas.

7) Leave until dry. It will take longer than you think.

Reassemble, power up. In my case, there were no ill effects beyond a
corrupted file, presumably the one that was being written to when the
lights went out.