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Hymermut
2024-11-04 04:01:35 UTC
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DEALT CARDS Tony Haynes Nov 2024

When I was about six to nine, every school holiday my parents would dump
me on Aunty Ada and Uncle Bob who lived in Rose Cottage, a terraced two
up two down house at the top of Scots Hill, Croxley Green, narrowly
missed by a landmine in WW2. The bomb site, four houses along, became a
car park for the local school.

Aunty Ada was my paternal grandfather’s sister. She was an ‘ample’
woman, who treated me far better than my own parents. She never had
children of her own. I can remember being ‘absorbed’ into those huge
breasts when she cuddled me. It was very comforting. Uncle Bob was okay
too. He was a bit old fashioned and strict, but always fair. He was the
fire station foreman at nearby Dickinson’s Mill.

They had no electricity in Rose cottage, only gas. The lamp lighter
would come around with his pole to light the street lamp outside their
house. Aunty Ada was a demon with her gas poker on a long reinforced
hose, when lighting the range and the copper fires. She would wield it
like a breaker’s flaming torch. I kept well out of the way.

A galvanised metal bath hung on a hook outside the back door. Every
Friday it was filled with warm water from the hopper, and I was dumped
in it, and scrubbed. I mean scrubbed too, with a scrubbing brush. I
certainly came out of that bath clean, and sore!

A tea pot was on the range. It was never emptied. Tea leaves and boiling
water would be added at times. Uncle Bob liked his tea strong, with
evaporated milk and three sugars, so I had to have the same. Luckily I
was a 'fluoride child' and still have my own teeth.

The only electrical item in the cottage was the ‘accumulator’ that
powered the old ‘church window’ wireless. Uncle Bob would put on a
collar and tie and light his pipe to listen to the news read by Ivor
Lidell, who wore a dress suite when reading it. Woe betide me if I even
made a noise during the news.

Across the road was a small garage next to a pub, ‘The Sportsman’. Uncle
Bob had convinced Aunty Ada that he had to wait for the accumulator to
be recharged. In fact it was an exchange. Sometimes it was a one pint
accumulator, and sometimes it was a two pint accumulator. I had to sit
on the pub doorstep with a 3d packet of Smith’s Crisps, salt in a twist
of blue paper, waiting for him.

I slept in a small unheated bedroom above the scullery. Every night I
was sent upstairs with a candle. At night I could hear the winding gear
being dropped at the nearby locks as the Dickinson’s boats went through,
carrying pulp from Brentford, and paper reels on their return.

Every day Aunty Ada would tell me not to go near the canal. Of course
every day off I went down through Croxley Woods to Walkers lock, and
then along the towpath to Ricky locks. I even managed to cadge a ride on
the counter of a working boat a couple of times.

I guess that’s how my love of boats and canals began. I joined the Royal
Navy at aged 15, and went through their training establishment, HMS
Ganges as a boy. Twelve years later I ended up as a Chief Petty Officer,
a ‘Tiffy’ maintaining Sea Vixens at Yeovilton and Wessex helicopters
aboard the aircraft carrier HMS Victorious and RFA Olynthus. In later
life I lived aboard a narrowboat for 12 years and ran a trip boat fleet
for five of those years.

But the cards. In the evenings there wasn’t much to do. No TV, let alone
smart phones or internet! Most evenings were spent playing cards with
Mrs White, the next door neighbour. Pontoon for matches was a favourite.
(They had no spare money). Also snap, and beat-your-neighbour-out-of
-doors. But Aunty Ada loved playing patience. She taught me how to play
solitaire and clock patience. To this day I still love to play Spider
and FreeCell on the desktop.

Now, whilst playing I’m taken back to those happy and safe days of the
1950s as we recovered from WW2, and welcomed the brand new NHS. ‘We will
look after you from the cradle to the grave’ was Churchill’s promise in
1943, later adopted by Clement Attlee for the welfare state.

Well, it almost came true for our generation. But I can’t help thinking
us war babes who survived, were the lucky ones.
Abandoned Trolley
2024-11-04 08:29:40 UTC
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DEALT CARDS   Tony Haynes  Nov 2024
When I was about six to nine, every school holiday my parents would dump
me on Aunty Ada and Uncle Bob who lived in Rose Cottage, a terraced two
up two down house at the top of Scots Hill, Croxley Green, narrowly
missed by a landmine in WW2. The bomb site, four houses along, became a
car park for the local school.
Aunty Ada was my paternal grandfather’s sister. She was an ‘ample’
woman, who treated me far better than my own parents. She never had
children of her own. I can remember being ‘absorbed’ into those huge
breasts when she cuddled me. It was very comforting. Uncle Bob was okay
too. He was a bit old fashioned and strict, but always fair. He was the
fire station foreman at nearby Dickinson’s Mill.
They had no electricity in Rose cottage, only gas. The lamp lighter
would come around with his pole to light the street lamp outside their
house. Aunty Ada was a demon with her gas poker on a long reinforced
hose, when lighting the range and the copper fires. She would wield it
like a breaker’s flaming torch. I kept well out of the way.
A galvanised metal bath hung on a hook outside the back door. Every
Friday it was filled with warm water from the hopper, and I was dumped
in it, and scrubbed. I mean scrubbed too, with a scrubbing brush. I
certainly came out of that bath clean, and sore!
A tea pot was on the range. It was never emptied. Tea leaves and boiling
water would be added at times. Uncle Bob liked his tea strong, with
evaporated milk and three sugars, so I had to have the same. Luckily I
was a 'fluoride child' and still have my own teeth.
The only electrical item in the cottage was the ‘accumulator’ that
powered the old ‘church window’ wireless. Uncle Bob would put on a
collar and tie and light his pipe to listen to the news read by Ivor
Lidell, who wore a dress suite when reading it. Woe betide me if I even
made a noise during the news.
Across the road was a small garage next to a pub, ‘The Sportsman’. Uncle
Bob had convinced Aunty Ada that he had to wait for the accumulator to
be recharged. In fact it was an exchange. Sometimes it was a one pint
accumulator, and sometimes it was a two pint accumulator. I had to sit
on the pub doorstep with a 3d packet of Smith’s Crisps, salt in a twist
of blue paper, waiting for him.
I slept in a small unheated bedroom above the scullery. Every night I
was sent upstairs with a candle. At night I could hear the winding gear
being dropped at the nearby locks as the Dickinson’s boats went through,
carrying pulp from Brentford, and paper reels on their return.
Every day Aunty Ada would tell me not to go near the canal. Of course
every day off I went down through Croxley Woods to Walkers lock, and
then along the towpath to Ricky locks. I even managed to cadge a ride on
the counter of a working boat a couple of times.
I guess that’s how my love of boats and canals began. I joined the Royal
Navy at aged 15, and went through their training establishment, HMS
Ganges as a boy. Twelve years later I ended up as a Chief Petty Officer,
a ‘Tiffy’ maintaining Sea Vixens at Yeovilton and Wessex helicopters
aboard the aircraft carrier HMS Victorious and RFA Olynthus. In later
life I lived aboard a narrowboat for 12 years and ran a trip boat fleet
for five of those years.
But the cards. In the evenings there wasn’t much to do. No TV, let alone
smart phones or internet! Most evenings were spent playing cards with
Mrs White, the next door neighbour. Pontoon for matches was a favourite.
(They had no spare money). Also snap, and beat-your-neighbour-out-of -
doors. But Aunty Ada loved playing patience. She taught me how to play
solitaire and clock patience. To this day I still love to play Spider
and FreeCell on the desktop.
Now, whilst playing I’m taken back to those happy and safe days of the
1950s as we recovered from WW2, and welcomed the brand new NHS. ‘We will
look after you from the cradle to the grave’ was Churchill’s promise in
1943, later adopted by Clement Attlee for the welfare state.
Well, it almost came true for our generation. But I can’t help thinking
us war babes who survived, were the lucky ones.
how did the accumulator get charged ?
John Williamson
2024-11-04 10:03:15 UTC
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Post by Abandoned Trolley
how did the accumulator get charged ?
In country areas, by a generator as often as not, in towns, off the
grid. When I was first on board in the 1970s, I used to get the boat
battery charged by the local garage if the engine was playing up, hfvat
a huge, ancient charger. I suspect it still had a selenium rectifier.

If you lived in the country or even some villages in those days, as the
sun set, I have been told that you would hear the generators starting up
all over the valley.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.
Kerr-Mudd, John
2024-11-04 14:19:29 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 10:03:15 -0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Abandoned Trolley
how did the accumulator get charged ?
In country areas, by a generator as often as not, in towns, off the
grid. When I was first on board in the 1970s, I used to get the boat
battery charged by the local garage if the engine was playing up, hfvat
a huge, ancient charger. I suspect it still had a selenium rectifier.
If you lived in the country or even some villages in those days, as the
sun set, I have been told that you would hear the generators starting up
all over the valley.
WIWAL, for the first n(<5) years, we didn't have mains electric, if it got
dark enough my dad would go over to the tool-shed (dual purpose) and start
the diesel generator. Or not, sometimes. Later on the lights might dim and
flicker, so a visit to top up the input tank was required. But for heating
we had a coal-shed that was topped up every autumn; covering up the years
cat shit. So by spring you were back down to that layer, mmm, lovely. Or
you had it fresh at the start of the winter season,'cos it's hard to
shovel coal into a hod and hold a torch.

'corse once we had mains electric (n pylons up from the main road) it was
full-on lights all evening, telly and ring cooker; though my mum always
kept a kettle just off the boil on the Rayburn stove, just in case of
visitors.

Happy days, even if 4 blankets & a quilt still weren't enough. We only
got small drifts of snow in from the window and front door, IIRC.

At night after reading 'til I was too tired, I used to listen to the hum
of aircraft overhead; but eventually I realised it was just the deep
freezer on the floor beneath! Apart from that it and the odd owl,
occasional cat mating yowls, cattle lowing, sheep bleating, trees
rustling, etc it was deathly QUIET - ah the joys of the country, but with
poor heating and a long way to anyone of your own age).

Still, I made some great dams on the brook, and my local knowledge of all
things watery came in handy in the drought of '76.

I recall not having much of a Clue about Mrs Baker etc when it came to
cards - I liked a set of "dominoes "I had early on that were actually
cards, with 7 coloured pictures - certainly a butterfly, erm sorry the
memory fades.


Do any of you old folk watch Talking Pictures TV - it's very retro.
generally B&W, and with a chat from Noel's shed on Sunday eves (ft. Mike
Read - no the other one - the R1 DJ - lots of banter about e.g. sweets of
yesteryear.)


Enough nostalgia, this beer's quite nice.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug
Abandoned Trolley
2024-11-04 14:35:13 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Do any of you old folk watch Talking Pictures TV - it's very retro.
generally B&W,  and with a chat from Noel's shed on Sunday eves (ft.
Mike Read - no the other one - the R1 DJ - lots of banter about e.g.
sweets of yesteryear.)
I am a regular TPTV viewer, but not really a fan of Mike Read.

I would be interested to know who is the bloke with him on the Footage
Detectives ... bears a worrying resemblance to Roy Hattersley ?

(Caroline Munro is much more attractive than both of them)
Kerr-Mudd, John
2024-11-04 14:55:15 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 14:35:13 -0000, Abandoned Trolley
Post by Abandoned Trolley
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Do any of you old folk watch Talking Pictures TV - it's very retro.
generally B&W, and with a chat from Noel's shed on Sunday eves (ft.
Mike Read - no the other one - the R1 DJ - lots of banter about e.g.
sweets of yesteryear.)
I am a regular TPTV viewer, but not really a fan of Mike Read.
He's everso suave, but has a great knowledge of the music world.
Post by Abandoned Trolley
I would be interested to know who is the bloke with him on the Footage
Detectives ... bears a worrying resemblance to Roy Hattersley ?
(Caroline Munro is much more attractive than both of them)
That's Noel - he's the guy behind the outfit. Note the 'produced by' is
his Mrs - the whole thing is run out of his house & shed in erm somewhere.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug
Adrian
2024-11-04 15:18:57 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Do any of you old folk watch Talking Pictures TV - it's very retro.
generally B&W, and with a chat from Noel's shed on Sunday eves (ft.
Mike Read - no the other one - the R1 DJ - lots of banter about e.g.
sweets of yesteryear.)
I used to watch it. Unfortunately, for reasons that I've not managed to
jbex out, it is now one of a several of channels that I can't get. Does
any sheddi know how to get the streaming version of it, when I last
looked, you had to tune in to the WWP channel first, which is a tad
awkward when you can't.

Adrian
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replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
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John Williamson
2024-11-04 16:25:39 UTC
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Post by Adrian
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Do any of you old folk watch Talking Pictures TV - it's very retro.
generally B&W, and with a chat from Noel's shed on Sunday eves (ft.
Mike Read - no the other one - the R1 DJ - lots of banter about e.g.
sweets of yesteryear.)
I used to watch it. Unfortunately, for reasons that I've not managed to
jbex out, it is now one of a several of channels that I can't get. Does
any sheddi know how to get the streaming version of it, when I last
looked, you had to tune in to the WWP channel first, which is a tad
awkward when you can't.
Opening the Website and registering worked for me on the laptop. If you
are using a smart (HAH!) WWP receiver you may need to tune in first.

https://www.tptvencore.co.uk/
--
Tciao for Now!

John.
Adrian
2024-11-04 17:13:08 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Opening the Website and registering worked for me on the laptop. If you
are using a smart (HAH!) WWP receiver you may need to tune in first.
https://www.tptvencore.co.uk/
Ta muchly.

That seems to be the same as it was last time I looked. I'm trying to
watch it using a smart (HAH!) WWP receiver, but as stated, I can't get
it to tune in first. Shades of "Keyboard not connected, press any key
to continue". If sufficient circular tuits can be gathered, I may
attempt to send them an emu.

Adrian
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To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.
John Williamson
2024-11-04 17:34:55 UTC
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Post by Adrian
Post by John Williamson
Opening the Website and registering worked for me on the laptop. If
you are using a smart (HAH!) WWP receiver you may need to tune in first.
https://www.tptvencore.co.uk/
Ta muchly.
That seems to be the same as it was last time I looked. I'm trying to
watch it using a smart (HAH!) WWP receiver, but as stated, I can't get
it to tune in first. Shades of "Keyboard not connected, press any key
to continue". If sufficient circular tuits can be gathered, I may
attempt to send them an emu.
If you set up your account on a pooterator, all you may need to do is
enter your details. I cheat and use the TV as a second monitor on the
peasea.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.
Hymermut
2024-11-04 18:01:51 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
https://www.tptvencore.co.uk/
Coo! Cool. Thanx. Now I know how the Lone Ranger became the Lone
Ranger. "Hi Ho Silver. Away!!!"

Tone
Sn!pe
2024-11-04 17:39:58 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Happy days, even if 4 blankets & a quilt still weren't enough. We only
got small drifts of snow in from the window and front door, IIRC.
That triggers distant memories of Jack Frost patterns on the inside of
the Crittall windows first thing in the morning. Is it time to spark up
the Aladdin paraffin heater yet?
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS

My pet rock Gordon just is.
Peter
2024-11-04 18:36:33 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Happy days, even if 4 blankets & a quilt still weren't enough. We only
got small drifts of snow in from the window and front door, IIRC.
That triggers distant memories of Jack Frost patterns on the inside of
the Crittall windows first thing in the morning.
Ooh yes. I remember Jack Frost painting my bedroom window. Central heating
has put an end to all that.

I also remember that our hot water came from a back-boiler behind the
living room fire place. Dad used to get up early to light the fire. Later,
when I was a bit older, it was my job. Then the fireplace had to be changed
to take smokeless fuel and we got one of those gas-pokery things which made
it a bit easier.

Oh, what the kids of today are missing.
--
Peter
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Jim the Geordie
2024-11-04 11:19:47 UTC
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DEALT CARDS   Tony Haynes  Nov 2024
When I was about six to nine, every school holiday my parents would dump
me on Aunty Ada and Uncle Bob who lived in Rose Cottage, a terraced two
up two down house at the top of Scots Hill, Croxley Green, narrowly
missed by a landmine in WW2. The bomb site, four houses along, became a
car park for the local school.
Aunty Ada was my paternal grandfather’s sister. She was an ‘ample’
woman, who treated me far better than my own parents. She never had
children of her own. I can remember being ‘absorbed’ into those huge
breasts when she cuddled me. It was very comforting. Uncle Bob was okay
too. He was a bit old fashioned and strict, but always fair. He was the
fire station foreman at nearby Dickinson’s Mill.
They had no electricity in Rose cottage, only gas. The lamp lighter
would come around with his pole to light the street lamp outside their
house. Aunty Ada was a demon with her gas poker on a long reinforced
hose, when lighting the range and the copper fires. She would wield it
like a breaker’s flaming torch. I kept well out of the way.
A galvanised metal bath hung on a hook outside the back door. Every
Friday it was filled with warm water from the hopper, and I was dumped
in it, and scrubbed. I mean scrubbed too, with a scrubbing brush. I
certainly came out of that bath clean, and sore!
A tea pot was on the range. It was never emptied. Tea leaves and boiling
water would be added at times. Uncle Bob liked his tea strong, with
evaporated milk and three sugars, so I had to have the same. Luckily I
was a 'fluoride child' and still have my own teeth.
The only electrical item in the cottage was the ‘accumulator’ that
powered the old ‘church window’ wireless. Uncle Bob would put on a
collar and tie and light his pipe to listen to the news read by Ivor
Lidell, who wore a dress suite when reading it. Woe betide me if I even
made a noise during the news.
Across the road was a small garage next to a pub, ‘The Sportsman’. Uncle
Bob had convinced Aunty Ada that he had to wait for the accumulator to
be recharged. In fact it was an exchange. Sometimes it was a one pint
accumulator, and sometimes it was a two pint accumulator. I had to sit
on the pub doorstep with a 3d packet of Smith’s Crisps, salt in a twist
of blue paper, waiting for him.
I slept in a small unheated bedroom above the scullery. Every night I
was sent upstairs with a candle. At night I could hear the winding gear
being dropped at the nearby locks as the Dickinson’s boats went through,
carrying pulp from Brentford, and paper reels on their return.
Every day Aunty Ada would tell me not to go near the canal. Of course
every day off I went down through Croxley Woods to Walkers lock, and
then along the towpath to Ricky locks. I even managed to cadge a ride on
the counter of a working boat a couple of times.
I guess that’s how my love of boats and canals began. I joined the Royal
Navy at aged 15, and went through their training establishment, HMS
Ganges as a boy. Twelve years later I ended up as a Chief Petty Officer,
a ‘Tiffy’ maintaining Sea Vixens at Yeovilton and Wessex helicopters
aboard the aircraft carrier HMS Victorious and RFA Olynthus. In later
life I lived aboard a narrowboat for 12 years and ran a trip boat fleet
for five of those years.
But the cards. In the evenings there wasn’t much to do. No TV, let alone
smart phones or internet! Most evenings were spent playing cards with
Mrs White, the next door neighbour. Pontoon for matches was a favourite.
(They had no spare money). Also snap, and beat-your-neighbour-out-of
-doors. But Aunty Ada loved playing patience. She taught me how to play
solitaire and clock patience. To this day I still love to play Spider
and FreeCell on the desktop.
Now, whilst playing I’m taken back to those happy and safe days of the
1950s as we recovered from WW2, and welcomed the brand new NHS. ‘We will
look after you from the cradle to the grave’ was Churchill’s promise in
1943, later adopted by Clement Attlee for the welfare state.
Well, it almost came true for our generation. But I can’t help thinking
us war babes who survived, were the lucky ones.
Nice one Tone.
It occurred to me long before Covid made us wonder about the/our future,
that our kids and grandkids have little inkling of our personal history.
Many years ago I persuaded my mother to make some jottings of her life
and found lots about her that I didn't know, but also of the times she
lived through.
With that in mind, I started my own jottings, which I top-up from time
to time. Some of it is personal to me, but much will find common ground
here, I fancy.
It's long, but then I'm old :) https://geordiejim.wordpress.com/
--
Jim the Geordie
h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-11-04 15:10:33 UTC
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< top post - I didn't want to cut anything >

What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
John T.
Post by Hymermut
DEALT CARDS Tony Haynes Nov 2024
When I was about six to nine, every school holiday my parents would dump
me on Aunty Ada and Uncle Bob who lived in Rose Cottage, a terraced two
up two down house at the top of Scots Hill, Croxley Green, narrowly
missed by a landmine in WW2. The bomb site, four houses along, became a
car park for the local school.
Aunty Ada was my paternal grandfather’s sister. She was an ‘ample’
woman, who treated me far better than my own parents. She never had
children of her own. I can remember being ‘absorbed’ into those huge
breasts when she cuddled me. It was very comforting. Uncle Bob was okay
too. He was a bit old fashioned and strict, but always fair. He was the
fire station foreman at nearby Dickinson’s Mill.
They had no electricity in Rose cottage, only gas. The lamp lighter
would come around with his pole to light the street lamp outside their
house. Aunty Ada was a demon with her gas poker on a long reinforced
hose, when lighting the range and the copper fires. She would wield it
like a breaker’s flaming torch. I kept well out of the way.
A galvanised metal bath hung on a hook outside the back door. Every
Friday it was filled with warm water from the hopper, and I was dumped
in it, and scrubbed. I mean scrubbed too, with a scrubbing brush. I
certainly came out of that bath clean, and sore!
A tea pot was on the range. It was never emptied. Tea leaves and boiling
water would be added at times. Uncle Bob liked his tea strong, with
evaporated milk and three sugars, so I had to have the same. Luckily I
was a 'fluoride child' and still have my own teeth.
The only electrical item in the cottage was the ‘accumulator’ that
powered the old ‘church window’ wireless. Uncle Bob would put on a
collar and tie and light his pipe to listen to the news read by Ivor
Lidell, who wore a dress suite when reading it. Woe betide me if I even
made a noise during the news.
Across the road was a small garage next to a pub, ‘The Sportsman’. Uncle
Bob had convinced Aunty Ada that he had to wait for the accumulator to
be recharged. In fact it was an exchange. Sometimes it was a one pint
accumulator, and sometimes it was a two pint accumulator. I had to sit
on the pub doorstep with a 3d packet of Smith’s Crisps, salt in a twist
of blue paper, waiting for him.
I slept in a small unheated bedroom above the scullery. Every night I
was sent upstairs with a candle. At night I could hear the winding gear
being dropped at the nearby locks as the Dickinson’s boats went through,
carrying pulp from Brentford, and paper reels on their return.
Every day Aunty Ada would tell me not to go near the canal. Of course
every day off I went down through Croxley Woods to Walkers lock, and
then along the towpath to Ricky locks. I even managed to cadge a ride on
the counter of a working boat a couple of times.
I guess that’s how my love of boats and canals began. I joined the Royal
Navy at aged 15, and went through their training establishment, HMS
Ganges as a boy. Twelve years later I ended up as a Chief Petty Officer,
a ‘Tiffy’ maintaining Sea Vixens at Yeovilton and Wessex helicopters
aboard the aircraft carrier HMS Victorious and RFA Olynthus. In later
life I lived aboard a narrowboat for 12 years and ran a trip boat fleet
for five of those years.
But the cards. In the evenings there wasn’t much to do. No TV, let alone
smart phones or internet! Most evenings were spent playing cards with
Mrs White, the next door neighbour. Pontoon for matches was a favourite.
(They had no spare money). Also snap, and beat-your-neighbour-out-of
-doors. But Aunty Ada loved playing patience. She taught me how to play
solitaire and clock patience. To this day I still love to play Spider
and FreeCell on the desktop.
Now, whilst playing I’m taken back to those happy and safe days of the
1950s as we recovered from WW2, and welcomed the brand new NHS. ‘We will
look after you from the cradle to the grave’ was Churchill’s promise in
1943, later adopted by Clement Attlee for the welfare state.
Well, it almost came true for our generation. But I can’t help thinking
us war babes who survived, were the lucky ones.
Tim+
2024-11-04 15:34:27 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
< top post - I didn't want to cut anything >
What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
A mistake I think.

Tim
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Hymermut
DEALT CARDS Tony Haynes Nov 2024
When I was about six to nine, every school holiday my parents would dump
me on Aunty Ada and Uncle Bob who lived in Rose Cottage, a terraced two
up two down house at the top of Scots Hill, Croxley Green, narrowly
missed by a landmine in WW2. The bomb site, four houses along, became a
car park for the local school.
Aunty Ada was my paternal grandfather’s sister. She was an ‘ample’
woman, who treated me far better than my own parents. She never had
children of her own. I can remember being ‘absorbed’ into those huge
breasts when she cuddled me. It was very comforting. Uncle Bob was okay
too. He was a bit old fashioned and strict, but always fair. He was the
fire station foreman at nearby Dickinson’s Mill.
They had no electricity in Rose cottage, only gas. The lamp lighter
would come around with his pole to light the street lamp outside their
house. Aunty Ada was a demon with her gas poker on a long reinforced
hose, when lighting the range and the copper fires. She would wield it
like a breaker’s flaming torch. I kept well out of the way.
A galvanised metal bath hung on a hook outside the back door. Every
Friday it was filled with warm water from the hopper, and I was dumped
in it, and scrubbed. I mean scrubbed too, with a scrubbing brush. I
certainly came out of that bath clean, and sore!
A tea pot was on the range. It was never emptied. Tea leaves and boiling
water would be added at times. Uncle Bob liked his tea strong, with
evaporated milk and three sugars, so I had to have the same. Luckily I
was a 'fluoride child' and still have my own teeth.
The only electrical item in the cottage was the ‘accumulator’ that
powered the old ‘church window’ wireless. Uncle Bob would put on a
collar and tie and light his pipe to listen to the news read by Ivor
Lidell, who wore a dress suite when reading it. Woe betide me if I even
made a noise during the news.
Across the road was a small garage next to a pub, ‘The Sportsman’. Uncle
Bob had convinced Aunty Ada that he had to wait for the accumulator to
be recharged. In fact it was an exchange. Sometimes it was a one pint
accumulator, and sometimes it was a two pint accumulator. I had to sit
on the pub doorstep with a 3d packet of Smith’s Crisps, salt in a twist
of blue paper, waiting for him.
I slept in a small unheated bedroom above the scullery. Every night I
was sent upstairs with a candle. At night I could hear the winding gear
being dropped at the nearby locks as the Dickinson’s boats went through,
carrying pulp from Brentford, and paper reels on their return.
Every day Aunty Ada would tell me not to go near the canal. Of course
every day off I went down through Croxley Woods to Walkers lock, and
then along the towpath to Ricky locks. I even managed to cadge a ride on
the counter of a working boat a couple of times.
I guess that’s how my love of boats and canals began. I joined the Royal
Navy at aged 15, and went through their training establishment, HMS
Ganges as a boy. Twelve years later I ended up as a Chief Petty Officer,
a ‘Tiffy’ maintaining Sea Vixens at Yeovilton and Wessex helicopters
aboard the aircraft carrier HMS Victorious and RFA Olynthus. In later
life I lived aboard a narrowboat for 12 years and ran a trip boat fleet
for five of those years.
But the cards. In the evenings there wasn’t much to do. No TV, let alone
smart phones or internet! Most evenings were spent playing cards with
Mrs White, the next door neighbour. Pontoon for matches was a favourite.
(They had no spare money). Also snap, and beat-your-neighbour-out-of
-doors. But Aunty Ada loved playing patience. She taught me how to play
solitaire and clock patience. To this day I still love to play Spider
and FreeCell on the desktop.
Now, whilst playing I’m taken back to those happy and safe days of the
1950s as we recovered from WW2, and welcomed the brand new NHS. ‘We will
look after you from the cradle to the grave’ was Churchill’s promise in
1943, later adopted by Clement Attlee for the welfare state.
Well, it almost came true for our generation. But I can’t help thinking
us war babes who survived, were the lucky ones.
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Please don't feed the trolls
Peter
2024-11-04 16:19:23 UTC
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What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
John T.
In this context, a hootering great bomb, dropped on a parachute with a timer
to detonate it after landing. Dropped on cities during the second great
unpleasantness. I have blind bambi why they were prefered to conventional
bombs.
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Peter
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John Williamson
2024-11-04 16:50:31 UTC
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What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
John T.
In this context, a hootering great bomb, dropped on a parachute with a timer
to detonate it after landing. Dropped on cities during the second great
unpleasantness. I have blind bambi why they were prefered to conventional
bombs.
The area was bombed with normal bombs as well. Then, after they got
people in to start sorting the mess out, the delayed ones detonated,
killing workers often the bomb disposal operatives, and destroying
equipment.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.
Hymermut
2024-11-04 18:07:13 UTC
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Post by Peter
   < top post  -  I didn't want to cut anything >
What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is  ..
   John T.
In this context, a hootering great bomb, dropped on a parachute with a timer
to detonate it after landing. Dropped on cities during the second great
unpleasantness. I have blind bambi why they were prefered to conventional
bombs.
The area was bombed with normal bombs as well. Then, after they got
people in to start sorting the mess out, the delayed ones detonated,
killing workers often the bomb disposal operatives, and destroying
equipment.
The landmine completely destroyed the end cottage in that row of
terraces. To this day you can still see the outline of the building in
the end wall of the terrace as you go east round the roundabout opposite
the Sportsman pub on the A414.

There was a second one dropped in Croxley Woods. The crater is still
visible, full of stinging nettles.

It is probable a bomber jettisoned them after being damaged in an attack.

Tone
Peter
2024-11-04 18:27:42 UTC
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Post by Peter
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
< top post - I didn't want to cut anything >
What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
John T.
In this context, a hootering great bomb, dropped on a parachute with
a timer to detonate it after landing. Dropped on cities during the
second great unpleasantness. I have blind bambi why they were
prefered to conventional bombs.
The area was bombed with normal bombs as well. Then, after they got
people in to start sorting the mess out, the delayed ones detonated,
killing workers often the bomb disposal operatives, and destroying
equipment.
This casts some light on land mines:
"Parachute bombs, also known as parachute mines, had several advantages
over conventional bombs during World War II:

Delayed Detonation: Parachute bombs were equipped with a timer or a
mechanism that allowed them to detonate at a specific height, usually at
roof level. This meant the explosion could cause more widespread damage, as
the shock waves were not cushioned by surrounding buildings2.

Increased Blast Radius: By detonating at a higher altitude, the blast
radius was significantly larger, potentially destroying an entire street or
area.

Psychological Impact: The sight of bombs descending slowly by parachute
could be terrifying and demoralizing for civilians and enemy troops alike.

Target Precision: Parachute bombs could be more accurately targeted, as
they descended more slowly and predictably than conventional bombs dropped
from aircraft.

These advantages made parachute bombs particularly effective during bombing
campaigns like the Blitz in London"

How narsty!
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Peter
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h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-11-04 19:17:20 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by Peter
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
< top post - I didn't want to cut anything >
What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
John T.
In this context, a hootering great bomb, dropped on a parachute with
a timer to detonate it after landing. Dropped on cities during the
second great unpleasantness. I have blind bambi why they were
prefered to conventional bombs.
The area was bombed with normal bombs as well. Then, after they got
people in to start sorting the mess out, the delayed ones detonated,
killing workers often the bomb disposal operatives, and destroying
equipment.
"Parachute bombs, also known as parachute mines, had several advantages
Delayed Detonation: Parachute bombs were equipped with a timer or a
mechanism that allowed them to detonate at a specific height, usually at
roof level. This meant the explosion could cause more widespread damage, as
the shock waves were not cushioned by surrounding buildings2.
Increased Blast Radius: By detonating at a higher altitude, the blast
radius was significantly larger, potentially destroying an entire street or
area.
Psychological Impact: The sight of bombs descending slowly by parachute
could be terrifying and demoralizing for civilians and enemy troops alike.
Target Precision: Parachute bombs could be more accurately targeted, as
they descended more slowly and predictably than conventional bombs dropped
from aircraft.
These advantages made parachute bombs particularly effective during bombing
campaigns like the Blitz in London"
How narsty!
Thanks - your reply gave me something to google :

" The official British designation for these weapons on land was
"Parachute Landmines" but civilians just called them "land mines" "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_mine

" It had a photodetector beneath a cover which detonated the bomb
if exposed to light to counteract the work of bomb disposal units."

Yep - narsty indeed !
John T.
Sam Plusnet
2024-11-05 18:18:03 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by Peter
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
< top post - I didn't want to cut anything >
What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
John T.
In this context, a hootering great bomb, dropped on a parachute with
a timer to detonate it after landing. Dropped on cities during the
second great unpleasantness. I have blind bambi why they were
prefered to conventional bombs.
The area was bombed with normal bombs as well. Then, after they got
people in to start sorting the mess out, the delayed ones detonated,
killing workers often the bomb disposal operatives, and destroying
equipment.
"Parachute bombs, also known as parachute mines, had several advantages
Delayed Detonation: Parachute bombs were equipped with a timer or a
mechanism that allowed them to detonate at a specific height, usually at
roof level. This meant the explosion could cause more widespread damage, as
the shock waves were not cushioned by surrounding buildings2.
Increased Blast Radius: By detonating at a higher altitude, the blast
radius was significantly larger, potentially destroying an entire street or
area.
Psychological Impact: The sight of bombs descending slowly by parachute
could be terrifying and demoralizing for civilians and enemy troops alike.
Target Precision: Parachute bombs could be more accurately targeted, as
they descended more slowly and predictably than conventional bombs dropped
from aircraft.
These advantages made parachute bombs particularly effective during bombing
campaigns like the Blitz in London"
How narsty!
" The official British designation for these weapons on land was
"Parachute Landmines" but civilians just called them "land mines""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_mine
" It had a photodetector beneath a cover which detonated the bomb
if exposed to light to counteract the work of bomb disposal units."
Yep - narsty indeed !
I'm not sure about that:

"Target Precision: Parachute bombs could be more accurately targeted, as
they descended more slowly and predictably than conventional bombs
dropped from aircraft."

The parachute would mean it was far more at the whim of the variable
winds as it descends.

The delayed detonation (due to slower descent and/or timer) would allow
the aircraft to get away without being hoist with its own petard, if it
was bombing from a lower altitude for improved accuracy.
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Sam Plusnet
Nicholas D. Richards
2024-11-05 20:53:14 UTC
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on Tue, 5 Nov 2024 at 18:18:03 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
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Post by Peter
Post by John Williamson
Post by Peter
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
< top post - I didn't want to cut anything >
What's up with the landmine .. ?
I'm guessing that I don't know what a landmine is ..
John T.
In this context, a hootering great bomb, dropped on a parachute with
a timer to detonate it after landing. Dropped on cities during the
second great unpleasantness. I have blind bambi why they were
prefered to conventional bombs.
The area was bombed with normal bombs as well. Then, after they got
people in to start sorting the mess out, the delayed ones detonated,
killing workers often the bomb disposal operatives, and destroying
equipment.
"Parachute bombs, also known as parachute mines, had several advantages
Delayed Detonation: Parachute bombs were equipped with a timer or a
mechanism that allowed them to detonate at a specific height, usually at
roof level. This meant the explosion could cause more widespread damage, as
the shock waves were not cushioned by surrounding buildings2.
Increased Blast Radius: By detonating at a higher altitude, the blast
radius was significantly larger, potentially destroying an entire street or
area.
Psychological Impact: The sight of bombs descending slowly by parachute
could be terrifying and demoralizing for civilians and enemy troops alike.
Target Precision: Parachute bombs could be more accurately targeted, as
they descended more slowly and predictably than conventional bombs dropped
from aircraft.
These advantages made parachute bombs particularly effective during bombing
campaigns like the Blitz in London"
How narsty!
" The official British designation for these weapons on land was
"Parachute Landmines" but civilians just called them "land mines""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_mine
" It had a photodetector beneath a cover which detonated the bomb
if exposed to light to counteract the work of bomb disposal units."
Yep - narsty indeed !
"Target Precision: Parachute bombs could be more accurately targeted, as
they descended more slowly and predictably than conventional bombs
dropped from aircraft."
The parachute would mean it was far more at the whim of the variable
winds as it descends.
The delayed detonation (due to slower descent and/or timer) would allow
the aircraft to get away without being hoist with its own petard, if it
was bombing from a lower altitude for improved accuracy.
The RAF rarely used parachute mines (AFAIK); they were very inaccurate,
as noted above.

As suggested above an advantage of parachute mines was that there was
little risk of being "foisted on your own petard" (There were other
advantages)

The RAF heavy bombers often had a mix of a 5,000lb HC (High Capacity)
bomb and a number of canisters of incendiaries (only a few pounds each).
The minimum height to drop an HC bomb was 6,000 feet to minimise the
shock to the dropping aircraft. Despite this minimum height there were
cases of aircraft being badly damaged by the shock.

These HC bombs were designed to lift the roofs off buildings, being thin
cased with a high percentage of their weight being explosive. They were
not designed to damage hardened buildings (cf Grand Slam and Tallboy
bombs)
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***@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"
chrisnd @ukrm
2024-11-06 17:39:22 UTC
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DEALT CARDS   Tony Haynes  Nov 2024
< SNIP >
I slept in a small unheated bedroom above the scullery. Every night I
was sent upstairs with a candle. At night I could hear the winding gear
being dropped at the nearby locks as the Dickinson’s boats went through,
carrying pulp from Brentford, and paper reels on their return.
Every day Aunty Ada would tell me not to go near the canal. Of course
every day off I went down through Croxley Woods to Walkers lock, and
then along the towpath to Ricky locks. I even managed to cadge a ride on
the counter of a working boat a couple of times.
As it happened, I read this with some amazement because I was at the
time, and am now, sitting in one of those very 'paper dashers' which has
been my home for nearly 50 years!

I have often been asked why I do not paint my boat in FMC colours.
I have two answers: 1. I have owned it a lot longer than they did and 2.
She *never was* painted in FMC colours because she was built to be
leased out to John Dickingsons and painted in *their* colours, a
representation of which she still has today.

Chris
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The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
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