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Sn!pe
2025-01-11 23:19:27 UTC
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HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . ≈:o(
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^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just sighed.
Mr Guest
2025-01-11 23:52:31 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . ≈:o(
Good (?) evening, if quieter than usual. Too cold for doing much in North
Yorkshire still. Hoping we will be warmer by end of Monday.
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Mr Guest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere
Sn!pe
2025-01-12 00:00:55 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . â≈√:o(
Good (?) evening, if quieter than usual. Too cold for doing much in North
Yorkshire still. Hoping we will be warmer by end of Monday.
Hooray! The Shed is not dead yet. It's pretty cold down here in the
soft underbelly as well. At least we have no snow, which is just as
well. I really doubt that our delivery drivers have much experience of
driving on snow; we're up a bit of a hill too.
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^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.
Sam Plusnet
2025-01-12 02:14:08 UTC
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Post by Mr Guest
Post by Sn!pe
HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . â≈√:o(
Good (?) evening, if quieter than usual. Too cold for doing much in North
Yorkshire still. Hoping we will be warmer by end of Monday.
Hooray! The Shed is not dead yet. It's pretty cold down here in the
soft underbelly as well. At least we have no snow, which is just as
well. I really doubt that our delivery drivers have much experience of
driving on snow; we're up a bit of a hill too.
Snow's gone from the hill opposite.
It faces North & doesn't get much sun at this time of year, so any snow
'up there' tends to hang around.
I say 'up there' but that hill isn't all that much higher than us - but
we is South facing.
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Sam Plusnet
John Williamson
2025-01-12 08:20:31 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Mr Guest
Post by Sn!pe
HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . â≈√:o(
Good (?) evening, if quieter than usual. Too cold for doing much in North
Yorkshire still. Hoping we will be warmer by end of Monday.
Hooray! The Shed is not dead yet. It's pretty cold down here in the
soft underbelly as well. At least we have no snow, which is just as
well. I really doubt that our delivery drivers have much experience of
driving on snow; we're up a bit of a hill too.
Snow's gone from the hill opposite.
It faces North & doesn't get much sun at this time of year, so any snow
'up there' tends to hang around.
I say 'up there' but that hill isn't all that much higher than us - but
we is South facing.
Here in the Wet Mudlands, we had snow a few days ago, but it got washed
away by the rain. All we have no is icy puddles and crunchy water in the
canal.

I hope it warms up, as I need to move the boat to a new mooring soon.
The forecast says yes, but we'll see.

Sorry I missed you earlier, but the duvet was singing a sweet lullaby...
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Hymermut
2025-01-12 09:52:12 UTC
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Have you been following the videos on the Bridgewater Breach John? NABO
have been forecasting a disaster like this for years. It was obviously
going to happen through lack of funding and inspection one day. I doubt
it will ever be repaired either. Peel Holdings won't want to spend
millions on a canal they reluctantly bought for £1, and makes them no
revenue.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tmFVLyvZr7g

Tone
Peter
2025-01-12 11:51:31 UTC
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Have you been following the videos on the Bridgewater Breach John? NABO
have been forecasting a disaster like this for years. It was obviously
going to happen through lack of funding and inspection one day. I doubt
it will ever be repaired either. Peel Holdings won't want to spend
millions on a canal they reluctantly bought for £1, and makes them no
revenue.
It will be interesting to see what they do with it. It's not just a
transport route, of course - it's also an aqueduct carrying away excess
water from another waterway - the MSC perhaps? and a wildlife sanctuary.
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Peter
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John Williamson
2025-01-12 12:32:28 UTC
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Have you been following the videos on the Bridgewater Breach John? NABO
have been forecasting a disaster like this for years. It was obviously
going to happen through lack of funding and inspection one day. I doubt
it will ever be repaired either. Peel Holdings won't want to spend
millions on a canal they reluctantly bought for £1, and makes them no
revenue.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tmFVLyvZr7g
I've been following it, and it was about due. There was one in the same
place in 1971, and one before that in 1912.

The one in 1971 led to the setting up of the Bridgewater Canal Trust, to
make sure the money given by local councils and others was actually
spent on repairing the breach. That took until 1973 to raise the money
and do the work, which took 8 months.

Both the earlier ones were, as far as I can tell, caused by the same
culvert collapsing, and when it was checked in 1991, it was still
showing signs of the 1971 repair. Nobody has yet said what actually
caused this one, but it has been noted that someone had been a bit slow
to open the sluices leading onto the Mersey, so the River Bollin, which
the canal crosses near the breach, had flooded, which may have damaged
the embankment or the culvert. There were no reports of the canal
overtopping the towpath. It is a 39 mile pound....

What has been winding me up a bit is that a lot of boaters are blaming
CRT, who have nothing to do with it, and have enough troubles of their
own. They want CRT to repair the breach, while CRT have posted on social
nedia saying they have nowt to do with it. The whole area is going to be
S*****d, as the only sensible bypass, the Anderton Lift will shortly be
closed for about 18 months for scheduled maintenance. Apparently, they
can't repair one caisson at a time, they have to close both. Even the
Macclesfield Canal has problems. Basically, the only routes from North
to South for the next 18 months will be via the tidal Trent, across the
Mersey, or along the Ship Canal.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Hymermut
2025-01-12 13:10:08 UTC
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Post by Hymermut
Have you been following the videos on the Bridgewater Breach John? NABO
have been forecasting a disaster like this for years. It was obviously
going to happen through lack of funding and inspection one day. I doubt
it will ever be repaired either. Peel Holdings won't want to spend
millions on a canal they reluctantly bought for £1, and makes them no
revenue.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tmFVLyvZr7g
I've been following it, and it was about due. There was one in the same
place in 1971, and one before that in 1912.
The one in 1971 led to the setting up of the Bridgewater Canal Trust, to
make sure the money given by local councils and others was actually
spent on repairing the breach. That took until 1973 to raise the money
and do the work, which took 8 months.
Both the earlier ones were, as far as I can tell, caused by the same
culvert collapsing, and when it was checked in 1991, it was still
showing signs of the 1971 repair. Nobody has yet said what actually
caused this one, but it has been noted that someone had been a bit slow
to open the sluices leading onto the Mersey, so the River Bollin, which
the canal crosses near the breach, had  flooded, which may have damaged
the embankment or the culvert. There were no reports of the canal
overtopping the towpath. It is a 39 mile pound....
What has been winding me up a bit is that a lot of boaters are blaming
CRT, who have nothing to do with it, and have enough troubles of their
own. They want CRT to repair the breach, while CRT have posted on social
nedia saying they have nowt to do with it. The whole area is going to be
S*****d, as the only sensible bypass, the Anderton Lift will shortly be
closed for about 18 months for scheduled maintenance. Apparently, they
can't repair one caisson at a time, they have to close both. Even the
Macclesfield Canal has problems. Basically, the only routes from North
to South for the next 18 months will be via the tidal Trent, across the
Mersey, or along the Ship Canal.
All agreed.

When I was Vice Chair of NABO (The National Association of Boat Owners
for you land-lubbers), 20 years ago (blimee already!) our prediction was
the usable canal system will eventually be reduced to about three rings,
with the 'dead' ends being abandoned. I can still see that being the
eventual result of underfunding.

Most of the problems arise because of lack of inspection. In the days of
working boats the lock keepers and lengthsmen would know their pounds,
walk then regularly, and note if anything was going wrong, that could be
fixed before disaster happened. That hasn't been the case for some 60
years.

Our solution was to involve the boaters more as volunteers, but BW then
stated that they couldn't use volunteers because of H&S issues.

CaRT can't get enough volunteers, but only uses them as lock keepers,
not inspection teams. Why? Probably because they know that if pending
faults are found they couldn't afford to fix 'em anyway.

Back in the early naughties Margaret Becket told us, if you boaters want
your canals you are going to have to pay for them and maintain them.

When David Milliband was Environmental Secretary I asked him whether, if
boaters could get themselves organised, could they take over from BW
instead of CaRT. He said "Yes. Good idea. Keep me in touch."

When I took the idea back to NABO, they chickened out, which was a
great shame. In the boating communities there are many folks with great
organising and practical skills, who would have volunteered their
services to keep the system going. And at least we would have known that
all of our collective licencing fee was going towards the upkeep of the
system, not into inflated salaries of high flying execs who know bugger
all about canal maintenance.

Tone
John Williamson
2025-01-12 14:07:52 UTC
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All agreed.
When I was Vice Chair of NABO (The National Association of Boat Owners
for you land-lubbers), 20 years ago (blimee already!) our prediction was
the usable canal system will eventually be reduced to about three rings,
with the 'dead' ends being abandoned. I can still see that being the
eventual result of underfunding.
Yes, and even the BCN will be vastly reduced in scope. For instance, we
don't actually need two canals between Wolverhampton and Birmingham, and
the Curly Wurly even now is almost impassable due to weed growth.
Luckily, there are no locks on it and it serves as a reservoir for much
of the rest of the system, so it would make sense to keep it open,
Annoyingly, more traffic would clear the weed, but nobody goes there
'cos you get too much weed (And saris, hoodies and trolleys)round your
prop. Catch 22.
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Most of the problems arise because of lack of inspection. In the days of
working boats the lock keepers and lengthsmen would know their pounds,
walk then regularly, and note if anything was going wrong, that could be
fixed before disaster happened. That hasn't been the case for some 60
years.
Often by one bloke with the aid of a wheelbarrow full of stuff and a
shovel. :-/

If noticed a few days earlier, that was all it would have taken to avoid
the breach on the Middlewich branch.

The problem is the cost of paying all the lengthsmen. They have also
sold off all their cottages so everyone now has to commute to work,
rather than having cheap accommodation as a perk.
Post by Hymermut
Our solution was to involve the boaters more as volunteers, but BW then
stated that they couldn't use volunteers because of H&S issues.
CaRT can't get enough volunteers, but only uses them as lock keepers,
not inspection teams. Why? Probably because they know that if pending
faults are found they couldn't afford to fix 'em anyway.
CRT also have the same H&S issues, They use volunteers to help trim back
undergrowth, but nowadays, they are not allowed to use power tools such
as a strimmer or hedge trimmer without training, so all they can do is
pick stuff up and dump it in the workboat. The only ones allowed to use
a chainsaw are specially trained and equipped staff. (A lot of boaters
use their own chainsaws to harvest firewood and clear fallen trees,
though. They have cleared three stoppages I know of in the last month
before CRT's contractors got there. Why the **** are CRT using
contractors for this, anyway?) :-/
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Back in the early naughties Margaret Becket told us, if you boaters want
your canals you are going to have to pay for them and maintain them.
Thin is why CRT was created. In theory, it would become a financially
independent organisation by 2027. They have not been able to do so, and
if you look at it critically, CRT never had and still doesn't have a
chance of keeping the canals open without the DEFRA grant. I was
expecting, when I bought the boat in 2013, to now be paying double what
I currently pay. Now the grant is finally going to end over the next
twelve years or so, I am more certain that it will happen, short of a
major change in Gibberment attitudes. Unfortunately, the only income
stream that CRT have any control over is licence and mooring fees, and
any drastic increase in those will see a reduction in the number of
boats, so it won't be worth keeping the canals open. Even the hire boats
will be scrapped as they have to increase their hire fees to pay the
extra, so people will go back to cheap package holidays.

CRT spent a *lot* more last than their total income last year, by a
margin greater than licence income, though the figures are buried at the
bottom of the annual accounts, so not many of the boaters who whinge
about them taking too much seem to have noticed.
Post by Hymermut
When David Milliband was Environmental Secretary I asked him whether, if
boaters could get themselves organised, could they take over from BW
instead of CaRT. He said "Yes. Good idea. Keep me in touch."
When I took the idea back to NABO, they chickened out, which was a great
shame.
Sounds like a plan, but too many boaters are of the opinion that it's
someone else's problem.

In the boating communities there are many folks with great
Post by Hymermut
organising and practical skills, who would have volunteered their
services to keep the system going. And at least we would have known that
all of our collective licencing fee was going towards the upkeep of the
system, not into inflated salaries of high flying execs who know bugger
all about canal maintenance.
I agree about the skills in the community.

I have checked on this, and many of those at the top, including Parry,
could probably earn more by making one phone call. The equivalent at
another company that has a large landholding and much maintenance to do
(Network Rail) earns a *lot* more. Hell, I even know of the headmaster
of one private school whose salary is double what Parry makes. At the
very top of a business, you don't need to know many of the details of
how it works on the ground, but you do need to know how to raise money.
Parry is good at that, as he has proven in his previous jobs. At a lower
level, I know my local area mooring manager is willing and able to get
his hands dirty, and he has even been known to help clear rubbish off
mooring sites. Even the one he replaced knew what was going on, though
she tended not to want to chat with boaters or shift rubbish.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Hymermut
2025-01-13 20:40:58 UTC
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I hope it warms up, as  I need to move the boat to a new mooring soon.
Are yo9u still in the Uxbridge area, John?

Tone
John Williamson
2025-01-13 23:42:23 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
I hope it warms up, as I need to move the boat to a new mooring soon.
Are yo9u still in the Uxbridge area, John?
I left there ages ago, I've been in the Potteries and the Wet Mudlands
since 2021.

I'm moving from Engine Arm to Ocker Hill this week. Last year was not
cheap, due to a gearbox failure followed by an engine failure after an
expensive blacking.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Hymermut
2025-01-14 07:17:14 UTC
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Post by Hymermut
I hope it warms up, as  I need to move the boat to a new mooring soon.
Are yo9u still in the Uxbridge area, John?
I left there ages ago, I've been in the Potteries and the Wet Mudlands
since 2021.
I'm moving from Engine Arm to Ocker Hill this week. Last year was not
cheap, due to a gearbox failure followed by an engine failure after an
expensive blacking.
And they say that living aboard a narrowboat is a cheap way of life!

It's a hole in the water into which you throw money.

I think I was relatively lucky. Because I was running trip boats at
Mytchett, The Canal Centre on the Basingstoke Canal, I had a free
mooring for six years.

I did have to replace the engine though, but with a second hand BMC
Commander that came out of Bob Potter's restaurant boat at Lakeside.
(Turned my 57ft boat into a bit of a speed boat!)

Then I was based on the Yorkshire Derwent (EA, £10 per year!) outside my
mate's lock cottage at Elvington for a couple of years, that meant I
could get a BW visitor's licence for 6 months a year to get back on to
the system. Much cheaperer.

I also wintered for two years on the Chesterfield Canal, off-side at a
small orchard by the Chequers Inn at Ranby, because nobody knew who
owned it. Hence no charge and free apples. (The local Chesterfield Canal
Society tripboat moors there now.)

All good fun!

Tone
John Williamson
2025-01-14 08:30:43 UTC
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I'm moving from Engine Arm to Ocker Hill this week. Last year was not
cheap, due to a gearbox failure followed by an engine failure after an
expensive blacking.
And they say that living aboard a narrowboat is a cheap way of life!
Indeed they do. It has been cheaper than renting a flat for the last
decade, though. More expensive than buying and running a house, if you
ignore the mortgage,but when you sell a boat, you don't get your money
back as you do when selling a house.
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It's a hole in the water into which you throw money.
Bring Out Another Thousand...
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I think I was relatively lucky. Because I was running trip boats at
Mytchett, The Canal Centre on the Basingstoke Canal, I had a free
mooring for six years.
And a job you enjoyed, Two wins.
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I did have to replace the engine though, but with a second hand BMC
Commander that came out of Bob Potter's restaurant boat at Lakeside.
(Turned my 57ft boat into a bit of a speed boat!)
This one is a good used Lister LPWS2 which cost me a grand plus another
few hundred for fitting, after it turned out that the problem on the
other one wasn't, as we all thought, the head. Drop in replacement after
the usual swearing. When I went to take my gearbox to be repaired, the
guy just happened to have a recon box which he let me have for what he'd
told me would be the repair cost, so that saved a bit of time. All in
all, though, I was about five grand out over three months.

<Grin> The boat is a 36 foot Springer, and will do about 5 1/2 mph on
deep water.
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Then I was based on the Yorkshire Derwent (EA, £10 per year!) outside my
mate's lock cottage at Elvington for a couple of years, that meant I
could get a BW visitor's licence for 6 months a year to get back on to
the system. Much cheaperer.
There are ways to make it less expensive, my way was to rent out the
house I owned and use the rent to help with the bills.

I couldn't CC then due to my job as a coach driver, and I don't fancy
the idea now. The mistake I made was selling the house to try to set up
a recoding studio which fell through due to incompetence at the CofE and
COVID. Hey, ho... At least I've got a few years rent in the bank.
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I also wintered for two years on the Chesterfield Canal, off-side at a
small orchard by the Chequers Inn at Ranby, because nobody knew who
owned it. Hence no charge and free apples. (The local Chesterfield Canal
Society tripboat moors there now.)
Nice.
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All good fun!
It is, and the vast majority of those I've met while living on board
have been good people. It's been a good life so far apart from last
year. Colon, dash, right bracket.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Bernard Peek
2025-01-30 21:50:37 UTC
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Post by Hymermut
I hope it warms up, as  I need to move the boat to a new mooring soon.
Are yo9u still in the Uxbridge area, John?
Tone
Are Derek & Sue Harrison still aboat? I would have thought their icebreaker
could do some serious damage to weeds. Given what it used to do to
supermarket trolleys that failed to dodge.
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Bernard Peek
***@shrdlu.com
Wigan
Mr Guest
2025-01-12 11:35:25 UTC
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HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . â≈√:o(
Good (?) evening, if quieter than usual. Too cold for doing much in
North Yorkshire still. Hoping we will be warmer by end of Monday.
Hooray! The Shed is not dead yet. It's pretty cold down here in the
soft underbelly as well. At least we have no snow, which is just as
well. I really doubt that our delivery drivers have much experience of
driving on snow; we're up a bit of a hill too.
We had about five inches of snow last weekend. It's now down to about
three inches, largely icy, and does not look like it's going to disappear
any time soon.

If I had a pound for every side road that had been gritted locally, I'd
have a round number of them. Setting off in second gear and being patient
has been necessary in a lot of places.

Still, cannot grumble as the man from the big shop dropped off supplies to
put me on. No PPs, but several BAs.
--
Mr Guest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere
D
2025-01-12 11:49:23 UTC
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Hello! May the light of our immortal leader shine on you and gordon!
Sn!pe
2025-01-12 14:07:40 UTC
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HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . ≈:o(
Hello! May the light of our immortal leader shine on you and gordon!
The Blue Halo of the Immortal Larder gleams brightly and
electrostatically crackles as yet another airborne pest
self-immolates in a brief wisp of insectile smoke.

Such is Life.
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^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just shuddered.
D
2025-01-12 18:49:11 UTC
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HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . ≈:o(
Hello! May the light of our immortal leader shine on you and gordon!
The Blue Halo of the Immortal Larder gleams brightly and
electrostatically crackles as yet another airborne pest
self-immolates in a brief wisp of insectile smoke.
Such is Life.
You are a poet Sir! Very beautiful!
D
2025-01-12 18:50:28 UTC
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HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . ≈:o(
Hello! May the light of our immortal leader shine on you and gordon!
The Blue Halo of the Immortal Larder gleams brightly and
electrostatically crackles as yet another airborne pest
self-immolates in a brief wisp of insectile smoke.
Such is Life.
The Amber Glow of the Forgotten Hearth flickers softly and
magnetic whispers hum as yet another lost ember
dissolves in a gentle haze of dying light.

Such is Time.

Dedicated to the pet rock Gordon!
Kerr-Mudd, John
2025-01-16 13:41:57 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 23:19:27 +0000
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HELLO! . . . hello . . . 'ello . . . 'lo . . . 'o . . . . . . . .
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Oh.
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Oh well . . . ≈:o(
I was busy. Out drinking, but without laptop.
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Bah, and indeed, Humbug
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