s'now

[William]

intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

[Nicholas D. Richards]

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on Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 14:30:13 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and

Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

S'not here in Sarf Lunnon

[Jim the Geordie]

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on Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 14:30:13 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and

Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

S'not here in Sarf Lunnon

Been and gone here on Tyneside.

[Tease'n'Seize]

Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

[h***@ccanoemail.com]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.
Cheers.
John T.

[Sam Plusnet]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

[Chris Elvidge]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

We had about 3" + a 7 hour power cut. Raining now. 1.2C. YO23.

[Simon]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

Ah yes, I recall being paid weekly in cash, a brown envelope with lots of small
holes and the payslip inside. Straight to the pub after work with everyone who
finished at the same time. I miss those days :-)

[Nicholas D. Richards]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

Ah yes, I recall being paid weekly in cash, a brown envelope with lots of small
holes and the payslip inside. Straight to the pub after work with everyone who
finished at the same time. I miss those days :-)

On payday the money was often shared out in the pub until it became
illegal to pay out wages in a pub (what year I do not know - probably
under one of the Truck Acts).

Right up until the 1940's many coalmines operated the 'butty system'.
This is where the mine manager would contract with a number of
individuals to produce coal at an agreed rate of recompense. The
contract would specify the particular section of a seam to be worked, at
what rate of payment and what equipment the mine owner would provide and
what the butty contractor would provide.

It would be up to the buttyman to source the men and the equipment. He
(it had always been a he since the 1846(?) mines act. The burryman
would have agreed the division of earnings with his team and be
responsible for ensuring that mine was paying for the coal worked.

My great-great-grandfather (there may be one more great in there) was a
buttyman who was killed, along with his team, when the cage parted
company from the winding ribbon and the cage fell all the way down the
shaft. The subsequent inquest extracted evidence that the mine manger
had not maintained the ribbon (it was a flat cable) correctly and had
covered up signs of wear with a red neckerchief. The manager was fined 5
shillings (25 pence in today's devalued money). This was in the 1850's.

[Simon]

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Post by Simon

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

Ah yes, I recall being paid weekly in cash, a brown envelope with lots of small
holes and the payslip inside. Straight to the pub after work with everyone who
finished at the same time. I miss those days :-)

On payday the money was often shared out in the pub until it became
illegal to pay out wages in a pub (what year I do not know - probably
under one of the Truck Acts).
Right up until the 1940's many coalmines operated the 'butty system'.
This is where the mine manager would contract with a number of
individuals to produce coal at an agreed rate of recompense. The
contract would specify the particular section of a seam to be worked, at
what rate of payment and what equipment the mine owner would provide and
what the butty contractor would provide.
It would be up to the buttyman to source the men and the equipment. He
(it had always been a he since the 1846(?) mines act. The burryman
would have agreed the division of earnings with his team and be
responsible for ensuring that mine was paying for the coal worked.
My great-great-grandfather (there may be one more great in there) was a
buttyman who was killed, along with his team, when the cage parted
company from the winding ribbon and the cage fell all the way down the
shaft. The subsequent inquest extracted evidence that the mine manger
had not maintained the ribbon (it was a flat cable) correctly and had
covered up signs of wear with a red neckerchief. The manager was fined 5
shillings (25 pence in today's devalued money). This was in the 1850's.

Wow, a lot of new information there, thank you.

[Jim the Geordie]

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Post by Simon

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

Ah yes, I recall being paid weekly in cash, a brown envelope with lots of small
holes and the payslip inside. Straight to the pub after work with everyone who
finished at the same time. I miss those days :-)

On payday the money was often shared out in the pub until it became
illegal to pay out wages in a pub (what year I do not know - probably
under one of the Truck Acts).
Right up until the 1940's many coalmines operated the 'butty system'.
This is where the mine manager would contract with a number of
individuals to produce coal at an agreed rate of recompense. The
contract would specify the particular section of a seam to be worked, at
what rate of payment and what equipment the mine owner would provide and
what the butty contractor would provide.
It would be up to the buttyman to source the men and the equipment. He
(it had always been a he since the 1846(?) mines act. The burryman
would have agreed the division of earnings with his team and be
responsible for ensuring that mine was paying for the coal worked.
My great-great-grandfather (there may be one more great in there) was a
buttyman who was killed, along with his team, when the cage parted
company from the winding ribbon and the cage fell all the way down the
shaft. The subsequent inquest extracted evidence that the mine manger
had not maintained the ribbon (it was a flat cable) correctly and had
covered up signs of wear with a red neckerchief. The manager was fined 5
shillings (25 pence in today's devalued money). This was in the 1850's.

Wow, a lot of new information there, thank you.

I agree. As a student of mining in the North-East and Derbyshire
coalfields, this is not a practice I have come across before.
https://tinyurl.com/2y8dzr9x

On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

[John Williamson]

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

Not sure if it still happens, but when I was in the industry in the
1990s, in parts of London, there were pubs where building site labourers
used to gather outside in the morning, hoping to get hired for the day.

[Richard Robinson]

Post by John Williamson

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

Not sure if it still happens, but when I was in the industry in the
1990s, in parts of London, there were pubs where building site labourers
used to gather outside in the morning, hoping to get hired for the day.

Mr. Kipling cakes, Newcastle-under-Lyme, c.1974. Gather round the back
gate, 9 o'clock in the evening, foreman comes out. "4 people haven't
turned up for night-shift. You, you, you, you". Spend the night with
your feet going stickycrunch on a floorfull of spilt sugar, pick things
off conveyorbelt & put them on other conveyorbelt, come out at
crackofdawn[1] with a little handful of cash, spend chunk of it on
greasy breakfast as soon as cafes open. Repeat until better offer
presents. We never knew 'ow 'appy we wos.

[1] depending on time of year

[Peter]

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for
work in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that
day, depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went
home.

I remeber that type of employment - it had a name that completely escapes
me. IIRC it was made illegal, possibly by the Wilson government.

[Dave]

Post by Peter

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for
work in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that
day, depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went
home.

I remeber that type of employment - it had a name that completely escapes
me. IIRC it was made illegal, possibly by the Wilson government.

"On the lump". Ended in 1975.

https://pre-war-housing.org.uk/blank-1-5/blank-1-9/
--

[Sn!pe]

Post by Dave

Post by Peter

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for
work in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that
day, depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went
home.

I remeber that type of employment - it had a name that completely escapes
me. IIRC it was made illegal, possibly by the Wilson government.

"On the lump". Ended in 1975.
<https://pre-war-housing.org.uk/blank-1-5/blank-1-9/>

I gubhtug (always an !d!ot, that 'I' fellow) that "on the lump" meant
paid cash in hand with a lump sum, off the books. IOW, much like
today's black economy.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

Post by Sn!pe

Post by Dave

Post by Peter

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for
work in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that
day, depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went
home.

I remeber that type of employment - it had a name that completely escapes
me. IIRC it was made illegal, possibly by the Wilson government.

"On the lump". Ended in 1975.
<https://pre-war-housing.org.uk/blank-1-5/blank-1-9/>

I gubhtug (always an !d!ot, that 'I' fellow) that "on the lump" meant
paid cash in hand with a lump sum, off the books. IOW, much like
today's black economy.

It was a sort of 'zero-hours' contract without the contract.

[Peter]

Post by Nicholas D. Richards

Post by Sn!pe

Post by Dave

Post by Peter

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up
for work in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to
work that day, depending on what ships were in port. Failing
that, they went home.

I remeber that type of employment - it had a name that completely
escapes me. IIRC it was made illegal, possibly by the Wilson
government.

"On the lump". Ended in 1975.
<https://pre-war-housing.org.uk/blank-1-5/blank-1-9/>

I gubhtug (always an !d!ot, that 'I' fellow) that "on the lump" meant
paid cash in hand with a lump sum, off the books. IOW, much like
today's black economy.

It was a sort of 'zero-hours' contract without the contract.

IIRC the dockers were an extreme case of working on the lump that led to a
national scandal and forced the gibberment to improve employment
legislation. It was a time of many, many strikes, not just at the docks but
throucout industry. Inflation was pretty rampant - we obhtug a house for
£5k in 1970 and sold it for £10k 4 years later. This was normal. The meja
these days drones on about the threat of inflation, to which I say "you
kids ain't seen nuffink"

[John Williamson]

Post by Peter

Post by Nicholas D. Richards

Post by Sn!pe
I gubhtug (always an !d!ot, that 'I' fellow) that "on the lump" meant
paid cash in hand with a lump sum, off the books. IOW, much like
today's black economy.

Pretty much. Very common in the construction industry.

Post by Peter

Post by Nicholas D. Richards
It was a sort of 'zero-hours' contract without the contract.

IIRC the dockers were an extreme case of working on the lump that led to a
national scandal and forced the gibberment to improve employment
legislation. It was a time of many, many strikes, not just at the docks but
throucout industry. Inflation was pretty rampant - we obhtug a house for
£5k in 1970 and sold it for £10k 4 years later. This was normal. The meja
these days drones on about the threat of inflation, to which I say "you
kids ain't seen nuffink"

Interest rates were also above 10% for much of the 1970s and 1980s. My
mortgage peaked at 25% briefly.

While the employment law had changed in 1975, in the 1990s, there were
still crowds of building labourers waiting for work outside many pubs
early in the mornings. For all I know, there still are.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 11:19:22 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Peter

Post by Nicholas D. Richards

Post by Sn!pe

Post by Dave

Post by Peter

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up
for work in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to
work that day, depending on what ships were in port. Failing
that, they went home.

I remeber that type of employment - it had a name that completely
escapes me. IIRC it was made illegal, possibly by the Wilson
government.

"On the lump". Ended in 1975.
<https://pre-war-housing.org.uk/blank-1-5/blank-1-9/>

I gubhtug (always an !d!ot, that 'I' fellow) that "on the lump" meant
paid cash in hand with a lump sum, off the books. IOW, much like
today's black economy.

It was a sort of 'zero-hours' contract without the contract.

IIRC the dockers were an extreme case of working on the lump that led to a
national scandal and forced the gibberment to improve employment
legislation. It was a time of many, many strikes, not just at the docks but
throucout industry. Inflation was pretty rampant - we obhtug a house for
£5k in 1970 and sold it for £10k 4 years later. This was normal. The meja
these days drones on about the threat of inflation, to which I say "you
kids ain't seen nuffink"

At least that era is within Living Memory. Seems we're about
to forget what a World War looks like though.

[Simon]

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Post by Simon

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Post by Simon

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

Ah yes, I recall being paid weekly in cash, a brown envelope with lots of small
holes and the payslip inside. Straight to the pub after work with everyone who
finished at the same time. I miss those days :-)

On payday the money was often shared out in the pub until it became
illegal to pay out wages in a pub (what year I do not know - probably
under one of the Truck Acts).
Right up until the 1940's many coalmines operated the 'butty system'.
This is where the mine manager would contract with a number of
individuals to produce coal at an agreed rate of recompense. The
contract would specify the particular section of a seam to be worked, at
what rate of payment and what equipment the mine owner would provide and
what the butty contractor would provide.
It would be up to the buttyman to source the men and the equipment. He
(it had always been a he since the 1846(?) mines act. The burryman
would have agreed the division of earnings with his team and be
responsible for ensuring that mine was paying for the coal worked.
My great-great-grandfather (there may be one more great in there) was a
buttyman who was killed, along with his team, when the cage parted
company from the winding ribbon and the cage fell all the way down the
shaft. The subsequent inquest extracted evidence that the mine manger
had not maintained the ribbon (it was a flat cable) correctly and had
covered up signs of wear with a red neckerchief. The manager was fined 5
shillings (25 pence in today's devalued money). This was in the 1850's.

Wow, a lot of new information there, thank you.

I agree. As a student of mining in the North-East and Derbyshire
coalfields, this is not a practice I have come across before.
https://tinyurl.com/2y8dzr9x
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

What a miserable way to live, lack of options forced this I imagine.

[John Williamson]

Post by Simon

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

What a miserable way to live, lack of options forced this I imagine.

IIRC, it got stopped by union pressure on the Government of the day.

The increased skill levels needed also helped kill it off, as the need
for unskilled labour in the docks disappeared with the appearance of
containerisation and cranes capable if using grabs and vacuum tubes for
bulk cargoes. A few skilled crane operators and lorry drivers could
empty a ship in hours, not the days it took handballing atuff in and out.

[Hymermut]

Post by John Williamson
The increased skill levels needed also helped kill it off, as the need
for unskilled labour in the docks disappeared with the appearance of
containerisation and cranes capable if using grabs and vacuum tubes for
bulk cargoes. A few skilled crane operators and lorry drivers could
empty a ship in hours, not the days it took handballing atuff in and out.

Containerisation invented by an American trucker, Malcolm McClean.

"McLean made his patents available by issuing a royalty-free lease to
the International Organization for Standardization.

"By the end of the 1960s, Sea-Land Industries had 27,000 trailer-type
containers, manufactured by Fruehauf, 36 trailer ships and access to
over 30 port cities."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcom_McLean

Tone

[Simon]

Post by John Williamson

Post by Simon

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

What a miserable way to live, lack of options forced this I imagine.

IIRC, it got stopped by union pressure on the Government of the day.
The increased skill levels needed also helped kill it off, as the need
for unskilled labour in the docks disappeared with the appearance of
containerisation and cranes capable if using grabs and vacuum tubes for
bulk cargoes. A few skilled crane operators and lorry drivers could
empty a ship in hours, not the days it took handballing atuff in and out.

Yes, that makes sense. I remember when couriers started putting rollers down the
middle of the trailers, it took up space which cost money but loading/unloading
was so much quicker it was worth the trade-off.

[Richard Robinson]

Post by Simon

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

What a miserable way to live, lack of options forced this I imagine.

I think they call it "the gig economy" these days ?

[Simon]

Post by Richard Robinson

Post by Simon

Post by Jim the Geordie
On a slightly different area, I do know that dockers turned up for work
in the morning, not knowing whether they were picked to work that day,
depending on what ships were in port. Failing that, they went home.

What a miserable way to live, lack of options forced this I imagine.

I think they call it "the gig economy" these days ?

Yes indeed, here in Spain self employed means paying 300€ per month irrespective
of earnings, makes gig working very difficult.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

Ah yes, I recall being paid weekly in cash, a brown envelope with lots of small
holes and the payslip inside. Straight to the pub after work with everyone who
finished at the same time. I miss those days :-)

On payday the money was often shared out in the pub until it became
illegal to pay out wages in a pub (what year I do not know - probably
under one of the Truck Acts).
Right up until the 1940's many coalmines operated the 'butty system'.
This is where the mine manager would contract with a number of
individuals to produce coal at an agreed rate of recompense. The
contract would specify the particular section of a seam to be worked, at
what rate of payment and what equipment the mine owner would provide and
what the butty contractor would provide.
It would be up to the buttyman to source the men and the equipment. He
(it had always been a he since the 1846(?) mines act. The burryman
would have agreed the division of earnings with his team and be
responsible for ensuring that mine was paying for the coal worked.
My great-great-grandfather (there may be one more great in there) was a
buttyman who was killed, along with his team, when the cage parted
company from the winding ribbon and the cage fell all the way down the
shaft. The subsequent inquest extracted evidence that the mine manger
had not maintained the ribbon (it was a flat cable) correctly and had
covered up signs of wear with a red neckerchief. The manager was fined 5
shillings (25 pence in today's devalued money). This was in the 1850's.

When Mr Bryson was on one of his returns to the US (probably whislt
walking in Pennsylvannia, where there's still an underground fire
burning in one deserted town, name easily googled) he noted that coal
mining there was particularly wasteful of manpower; people were cheap.
(tens of ?) thousands killed in "accidents". Thank goodness we live in
enlightened times and nothing like that happens now. Well, not in the
West.

[Jim the Geordie]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

We had some snow overnight (SE Wales). It then started raining & it's
vanishing faster than beer on payday.

Ah yes, I recall being paid weekly in cash, a brown envelope with lots of small
holes and the payslip inside. Straight to the pub after work with everyone who
finished at the same time. I miss those days :-)

Strangely enough, pubs still have their busiest nights on 'payday
weekend', even though most folks are paid directly to their banks.
I guess they must be nearing their accounts being empty prior to that.
Seems sad that they then spend it on booze, or perhaps it's all they
have to look forward to.

[Peter]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

Yes, probably unavoidable now. Not just us but most of North West Europe.
Though there is possibly an intesting negative feedback loop - the
consequent rise in sea level will likely put almost all the world's major
oil ports out of action.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

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Post by William
intermittant snow, central Leinster. Slippy snow

Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now, radio/tv still
banging-on about "heavy snow" for most of England

Better stock-up on crisps - when the Greenland ice cap
melts it will halt the Gulf Stream and your little island might
see some proper winter weather.

Nah the new owner, that nice Mr Trump, will banish it.

[Tease'n'Seize]

Post by Tease'n'Seize
Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now

It's ba-aack, but struggling to settle on wet roads. Thankfully
meetings for today were already online ...

[Peter]

Post by Tease'n'Seize

Post by Tease'n'Seize
Under a ninch outskirts of Leicester, gone now

It's ba-aack, but struggling to settle on wet roads. Thankfully
meetings for today were already online ...

Here in sunny 'Ampshire we had snow Saturday afternoon and by the evening we
had an inch or so on the grass. Overnight the temperature went from -2 to +
10. Sunday morning all snow had vanished and it rained all day. Rain seems
to have stopped now.