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Richard Robinson
2024-09-23 14:13:20 UTC
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I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
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John Williamson
2024-09-23 15:11:55 UTC
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Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
In theory, the utility company remove it and sell it for scrap.

In practice, quite a lot is extracted overnight by stealth diggers.
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h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-09-23 15:32:06 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 16:11:55 +0100, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
In theory, the utility company remove it and sell it for scrap.
In practice, quite a lot is extracted overnight by stealth diggers.
Stealing telecom wiring for scrap copper value -
would seem like an awful lot of work .. for the return ?
Here-abouts the low lifes are stealing bronze plaques :

https://www.cambridgetoday.ca/local-news/two-more-commemorative-bronze-plaques-stolen-from-cambridge-parks-9095328

John T.
John Williamson
2024-09-23 15:39:21 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Stealing telecom wiring for scrap copper value -
would seem like an awful lot of work .. for the return ?
The cables run in conduit. You fasten one end to a digger and pull.
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
https://www.cambridgetoday.ca/local-news/two-more-commemorative-bronze-plaques-stolen-from-cambridge-parks-9095328
John T.
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Nicholas D. Richards
2024-09-23 16:25:47 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Stealing telecom wiring for scrap copper value -
would seem like an awful lot of work .. for the return ?
The cables run in conduit. You fasten one end to a digger and pull.
It happened outside my front door. First of all Openwretch did not know
if there were any works outside my door, then they said it was not
authorised and then could I phone the ecilop? The ecilop came too
late.
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
https://www.cambridgetoday.ca/local-news/two-more-commemorative-bronze-
plaques-stolen-from-cambridge-parks-9095328
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
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Tease'n'Seize
2024-09-23 17:40:31 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Stealing telecom wiring for scrap copper value -
would seem like an awful lot of work .. for the return ?
My phone line has been disconnected twice (for about 10 days each time)
by the stealth diggers, they open a rural personhole, tie the big cable
to the tow bar of a pickup truck, drive off, and see how many hundred
metres of 200 pair copper follows them ...
Abandoned Trolley
2024-09-24 07:15:33 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Stealing telecom wiring for scrap copper value -
would seem like an awful lot of work .. for the return ?
https://www.cambridgetoday.ca/local-news/two-more-commemorative-bronze-plaques-stolen-from-cambridge-parks-9095328
John T.
Some of those old phone cables have a lead sheath - double your money
Tease'n'Seize
2024-09-24 07:33:16 UTC
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Post by Abandoned Trolley
Some of those old phone cables have a lead sheath - double your money
Easier (for them) to just burn the insulation off though.
Abandoned Trolley
2024-09-24 09:27:06 UTC
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Post by Tease'n'Seize
Post by Abandoned Trolley
Some of those old phone cables have a lead sheath - double your money
Easier (for them) to just burn the insulation off though.
The lead is probably worth more than the copper, and in some cases the
individual copper cores are insulated with paper - which was one of the
reasons they started pressurising cables
Adrian
2024-09-24 10:52:21 UTC
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Post by Abandoned Trolley
Some of those old phone cables have a lead sheath - double your money
When I moved to my current abode, the phone wiring was interesting. It
looked as though at various times the master socket (and what ever we
had before master sockets) had been moved around. When I moved in, it
was at the back of the house, but the wiring to it entered at the front,
went through the loft, and then dropped down (behind the wall paper) to
the window sill where the master socket as situated. In the front room,
was an olde fashioned phone socket (jack plug rather than the arj
fangled things we have now). Howsomedever running along the fascia
board from front to back was a lead sheathed phone line which wasn't
connected to anything, but came through the back wall just below the
master socket.

The above of course has nothing to do with fibre, but I do get a trickle
of shinny suits / combat trousers and polo shirts appearing at the front
door trying to fryy me a fibre swervice. They leave disappointed,
sometimes with career advice regarding their current rzcyblre.

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Julian Macassey
2024-09-24 10:57:46 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Stealing telecom wiring for scrap copper value -
would seem like an awful lot of work .. for the return ?
A single drop from a pole to a building may seem like a
lot of work, but a large multi-pair cable is worth the trouble.

Your work is made easier if you have access to a back-hoe
(JCB).

This is an ongoing problem in Japan I have just been told
by a neighbour.
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John Williamson
2024-09-24 18:45:38 UTC
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Post by Julian Macassey
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Stealing telecom wiring for scrap copper value -
would seem like an awful lot of work .. for the return ?
A single drop from a pole to a building may seem like a
lot of work, but a large multi-pair cable is worth the trouble.
Your work is made easier if you have access to a back-hoe
(JCB).
This is an ongoing problem in Japan I have just been told
by a neighbour.
It is probably a world wide promble wherever there is a well developed
tephelone system.i

One benefit of fibre is that it's not worth nicking.
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Abandoned Trolley
2024-09-25 07:18:17 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
It is probably a world wide promble wherever there is a well developed
tephelone system.i
Its not just phone cables - railways signalling cables disappear
overnight as well
Nicholas D. Richards
2024-09-25 11:12:02 UTC
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In article <vd0dfp$3jlrg$***@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley <***@fred-
smith.co.uk> on Wed, 25 Sep 2024 at 08:18:17 awoke Nicholas from his
Post by Abandoned Trolley
Post by John Williamson
It is probably a world wide promble wherever there is a well developed
tephelone system.i
Its not just phone cables - railways signalling cables disappear
overnight as well
Tell me about it. I am a retired London commuter.

It occurred to me that illicit 'recycling' of telephone cable had a
higher risk of being caught than 'recycling' railway signal cable. On
the other hand the risk of electrocution was considerably higher, access
more difficult and being run over was a risk.

If you could do it without being electrocuted power cable might provide
a greater profit?
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Julian Macassey
2024-09-26 10:14:51 UTC
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Post by Abandoned Trolley
Post by John Williamson
It is probably a world wide promble wherever there is a well developed
tephelone system.i
Its not just phone cables - railways signalling cables disappear
overnight as well
I once had a problem with loud pulses on obe of my trunks.
After much bitching I was informed that a railway signalling cable
was in my bundle. They moved it.

Every now and again some tea leafs pull live power cables
and don't live long enough to let the local theives union know
"Don't do that."
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h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-09-26 12:12:17 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 08:18:17 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
Post by Abandoned Trolley
Post by John Williamson
It is probably a world wide promble wherever there is a well developed
tephelone system.i
Its not just phone cables - railways signalling cables disappear
overnight as well
Still .. a lot of work for little return, it seems to me.
My working life was spent at power grid transformer stations -
where the copper thieves would come and cut the copper
ground wires on the perimeter fence. Each piece was about
7 feet long and the size of your pinky finger and no insulation.
The fence was grounded every 75 feet or so. The tool-of-the-trade
was a simple smallish pair of bolt cutters - no machines, no noise,
.. I'd guess that 2 energetic thieves with mountain bikes equipped
with luggage carriers could quickly and silently gather a thousand
dollars worth of copper in a couple hours.
On Monday morning, when the theft was discovered, a couple of
workers would spend all day replacing the wire. When materials and
wages were calculated - the running joke became - that every
Friday someone should take a wad of $ 5. bills and pin one to every
ground wire all around the station - to save the company some money.
John T.
Hymermut
2024-09-26 12:24:53 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
On Monday morning, when the theft was discovered, a couple of
workers would spend all day replacing the wire. When materials and
wages were calculated - the running joke became - that every
Friday someone should take a wad of $ 5. bills and pin one to every
ground wire all around the station - to save the company some money.
John T.
I would have thought CCTV and paying a security company to keep watch
would have been cheapererer.

Tone
h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-09-26 13:55:06 UTC
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Post by Hymermut
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
On Monday morning, when the theft was discovered, a couple of
workers would spend all day replacing the wire. When materials and
wages were calculated - the running joke became - that every
Friday someone should take a wad of $ 5. bills and pin one to every
ground wire all around the station - to save the company some money.
John T.
I would have thought CCTV and paying a security company to keep watch
would have been cheapererer.
Tone
I'm not sure what security measures are in place today - I've been
retired for years - but one of the early measures was to use
aluminum wire instead of copper - it helped somewhat.
It's a complex problem - some of the sub-stations are small & urban
some are huge & rural ; the scrap metal yards are often shady -
< I've heard that biker gangs are involved > also, like all the
high-end cars that are being stolen < so easily ! > things get
quickly loaded into sea-cans and are gone to Montreal port -
which is said to be run by the Mob ..
John T.
Julian Macassey
2024-09-26 15:20:28 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm not sure what security measures are in place today - I've
been retired for years - but one of the early measures was
to use aluminum wire instead of copper - it helped somewhat.
It's a complex problem - some of the sub-stations are small &
urban some are huge & rural ; the scrap metal yards are often
shady
Scrap metal yard and pawn brokers are always shady.

For example take vehicle catalytic coverters which contain
platinum. The villains that crawl under your car in the dead of
night and cut off the catalytic converters aell them for scrap.
The removed catalytic converter sellers are obviously not repair
garages and vehicle breakers.

It's the same with stolen gold jewellry, the pawn shops
often toss the gold into a crucible then sell it to a precious
metal refiner.

These people are fences knowingly dealing in stolen
property. The Filth could round these people up but are obviously
busy writing traffic tickets and killing black people.
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
- < I've heard that biker gangs are involved > also,
like all the high-end cars that are being stolen < so easily !
Stuffing stolen Mercedes into shipping containers is big
business. `
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h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-09-26 16:25:13 UTC
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Post by Julian Macassey
Stuffing stolen Mercedes into shipping containers is big
business. `
Yup.

Police say hundreds of vehicles worth $33.2 million have been
recovered in a major auto theft investigation — with 37 containers
worth of cars found at the Port of Montreal.

Victims blame police, police blame the courts ..
Almost half of those arrested were out on bail ; many were
young offenders ; many were re-released on bail ..

Most-stolen vehicles Ontario Canada 2023
1. Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators
2. Toyota Highlanders
3. Honda CRV
4. Dodge Ram Trucks
5. Land Rovers
6. Lexus SUV
7. Ford 150
8. Acura RDX
9. Durango
10. Toyota RAV4

John T.
Mike Fleming
2024-09-27 12:23:13 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Most-stolen vehicles Ontario Canada 2023
1. Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators
2. Toyota Highlanders
3. Honda CRV
4. Dodge Ram Trucks
5. Land Rovers
6. Lexus SUV
7. Ford 150
8. Acura RDX
9. Durango
10. Toyota RAV4
Good to see that the thieves are doing their bit for the planet by
nicking the gas-guzzlers.
h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-09-27 14:00:01 UTC
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Post by Mike Fleming
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Most-stolen vehicles Ontario Canada 2023
1. Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators
2. Toyota Highlanders
3. Honda CRV
4. Dodge Ram Trucks
5. Land Rovers
6. Lexus SUV
7. Ford 150
8. Acura RDX
9. Durango
10. Toyota RAV4
Good to see that the thieves are doing their bit for the planet by
nicking the gas-guzzlers.
I probably would have bought a CRV or RAV4
when I had to replace my Kia recently - but I couldn't find any
in stock, anywhere near me < ! >
They're pretty fuel efficient - as is the Subaru Forester
that I ended-up buying.
John T.
Abandoned Trolley
2024-09-27 15:15:09 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Most-stolen vehicles Ontario Canada 2023
1. Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators
2. Toyota Highlanders
3. Honda CRV
4. Dodge Ram Trucks
5. Land Rovers
6. Lexus SUV
7. Ford 150
8. Acura RDX
9. Durango
10. Toyota RAV4
(and I thought Durango was a town ?)
Mike Fleming
2024-09-27 15:25:43 UTC
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Post by Abandoned Trolley
  Most-stolen vehicles   Ontario  Canada  2023
1.  Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators
2.  Toyota Highlanders
3.  Honda CRV
4.  Dodge Ram Trucks
5.  Land Rovers
6.  Lexus SUV
7.  Ford 150
8.  Acura RDX
9.  Durango
10.  Toyota RAV4
(and I thought Durango was a town ?)
I thought it was a maker of model cars. Close - http://www.bburago.com/
The Nomad
2024-09-27 15:27:21 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 16:15:09 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
Post by Abandoned Trolley
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Most-stolen vehicles Ontario Canada 2023
1. Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators 2. Toyota Highlanders 3. Honda CRV 4.
Dodge Ram Trucks 5. Land Rovers 6. Lexus SUV 7. Ford 150 8. Acura
RDX 9. Durango 10. Toyota RAV4
(and I thought Durango was a town ?)
I thought it was a make of (early) 'puter

Avpx
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Julian Macassey
2024-09-27 15:48:48 UTC
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Post by The Nomad
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 16:15:09 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
Post by Abandoned Trolley
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Most-stolen vehicles Ontario Canada 2023
1. Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators 2. Toyota Highlanders 3. Honda CRV 4.
Dodge Ram Trucks 5. Land Rovers 6. Lexus SUV 7. Ford 150 8. Acura
RDX 9. Durango 10. Toyota RAV4
(and I thought Durango was a town ?)
I thought it was a make of (early) 'puter
It was indeed, running CP/M-80. I worked on one.
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Sn!pe
2024-09-27 16:32:52 UTC
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Post by The Nomad
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chrisnd @ukrm
2024-09-29 13:54:00 UTC
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Post by Abandoned Trolley
  Most-stolen vehicles   Ontario  Canada  2023
1.  Jeep Wranglers/Gladiators
2.  Toyota Highlanders
3.  Honda CRV
4.  Dodge Ram Trucks
5.  Land Rovers
6.  Lexus SUV
7.  Ford 150
8.  Acura RDX
9.  Durango
10.  Toyota RAV4
(and I thought Durango was a town ?)
And I thought 'Getting out of Dodge' referred to a town?
Maybe it doesn't then - merely disembarking.
:-)

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Sam Plusnet
2024-09-23 20:13:49 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
In theory, the utility company remove it and sell it for scrap.
They
In practice, quite a lot is extracted overnight by stealth diggers.
They come half-way around the globe just to nick some copper?
Lummy!
Nicholas D. Richards
2024-09-23 16:27:50 UTC
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Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
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h***@ccanoemail.com
2024-09-23 16:53:43 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 17:27:50 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
Good question.
When the fibre was installed for my < rural > home - I opted
for the bundle - TV + internet + telephone - and I received
a complementary UPS that powers the phone for
several hours. Internet & TV not supplied from the UPS.
It adds a little peace-of-mind for calling emergency services
during a power outage, our cell phone coverage is iffy.
John T.
Nicholas D. Richards
2024-09-23 21:47:18 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 17:27:50 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
Good question.
When the fibre was installed for my < rural > home - I opted
for the bundle - TV + internet + telephone - and I received
a complementary UPS that powers the phone for
several hours. Internet & TV not supplied from the UPS.
It adds a little peace-of-mind for calling emergency services
during a power outage, our cell phone coverage is iffy.
John T.
Somehow I cannot imagine that complementary UPS will be offered to all
subscribers.
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Richard Robinson
2024-09-24 15:41:13 UTC
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Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 17:27:50 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
Good question.
When the fibre was installed for my < rural > home - I opted
for the bundle - TV + internet + telephone - and I received
a complementary UPS that powers the phone for
several hours. Internet & TV not supplied from the UPS.
It adds a little peace-of-mind for calling emergency services
during a power outage, our cell phone coverage is iffy.
John T.
Somehow I cannot imagine that complementary UPS will be offered to all
subscribers.
I haven't heard any mention of one.

Not keen that I have to pay extra to keep my landline, either. But,
Resistance Is Futile, here comes The Future. My copper is overhead
across the backyard from a pole. I'll ask the engineer what will be done
with it, and they'll say "Dunno".
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Sn!pe
2024-09-24 17:28:21 UTC
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Richard Robinson <***@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:

[fibre]
Post by Richard Robinson
Not keen that I have to pay extra to keep my landline, either. But,
Resistance Is Futile, here comes The Future. My copper is overhead
across the backyard from a pole. I'll ask the engineer what will be done
with it, and they'll say "Dunno".
AIUI the fibre cable will reach you by the same route as your copper
connection does, i.e. like the current dropwire from the pole.
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Julian Macassey
2024-09-24 23:26:58 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
[fibre]
Post by Richard Robinson
Not keen that I have to pay extra to keep my landline, either. But,
Resistance Is Futile, here comes The Future. My copper is overhead
across the backyard from a pole. I'll ask the engineer what will be done
with it, and they'll say "Dunno".
AIUI the fibre cable will reach you by the same route as your copper
connection does, i.e. like the current dropwire from the pole.
The fiber could also come in underground.
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Flaubert
Hymermut
2024-09-25 11:13:41 UTC
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Post by Julian Macassey
Post by Sn!pe
[fibre]
Post by Richard Robinson
Not keen that I have to pay extra to keep my landline, either. But,
Resistance Is Futile, here comes The Future. My copper is overhead
across the backyard from a pole. I'll ask the engineer what will be done
with it, and they'll say "Dunno".
AIUI the fibre cable will reach you by the same route as your copper
connection does, i.e. like the current dropwire from the pole.
The fiber could also come in underground.
BT laid fibre up our cul-de-sac four years ago, but they never put in a
box so we can't connect to it.

Tone
Nicholas D. Richards
2024-09-25 12:34:51 UTC
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Post by Hymermut
Post by Julian Macassey
Post by Sn!pe
[fibre]
Post by Richard Robinson
Not keen that I have to pay extra to keep my landline, either. But,
Resistance Is Futile, here comes The Future. My copper is overhead
across the backyard from a pole. I'll ask the engineer what will be done
with it, and they'll say "Dunno".
AIUI the fibre cable will reach you by the same route as your copper
connection does, i.e. like the current dropwire from the pole.
The fiber could also come in underground.
BT laid fibre up our cul-de-sac four years ago, but they never put in a
box so we can't connect to it.
Tone
My street has been dug up three times for fibre.

Once by Mercury/C&W laying conduits but no fibre, It is still there.

Next by Virgin laying conduits and again no fibre.

Then by G Networks (who they?), laying conduits and fibre and are now
bombarding us to take on their offering.

I think Openwretch/BT are pulling fibre through their conduits. Such is
progress that we will have no protection when power fails.
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Julian Macassey
2024-09-26 10:08:58 UTC
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Post by Hymermut
Post by Julian Macassey
Post by Sn!pe
[fibre]
Post by Richard Robinson
Not keen that I have to pay extra to keep my landline, either. But,
Resistance Is Futile, here comes The Future. My copper is overhead
across the backyard from a pole. I'll ask the engineer what will be done
with it, and they'll say "Dunno".
AIUI the fibre cable will reach you by the same route as your copper
connection does, i.e. like the current dropwire from the pole.
The fiber could also come in underground.
BT laid fibre up our cul-de-sac four years ago, but they never put in a
box so we can't connect to it.
One form of telecom skulduggery is you get paid to deploy
cable, take the money and run. Connecting up the punters requires
more work.

I had the same problem with Shitty Fibre. They pulled the
whole area to the demarcation points. I then fought with them
for over a year while they gave me a litany of excuses as to why
they could not connect me. On the carousel of lies to explain the
non delivery was: We need to do an engineering survey, we need to
check for asbestos, you don't have fibre in your area, (sent my
ISP a photo of my Toby box with fibre in it) this is a listed
building, You need your landlord's permission, you need to get the
city to give you permission to ask for a fibre install.


Then unexpectedly with no notice a crew showed up and
pulled fibre to every flat in the building. I talked to the crew
and they said "There's lots of politics".

Now after weekly calls for a year, I now have 1 Gbit
symetrical.

Menwhile Cell companies, ADSL suppliers and other grifters
are selling "Broadband" some of which struggls to get above 5
Gbit. These people are fraudsters. Fraud used to be a crime, it is
now a business strategy.
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fight for it. - Aneurin Bevan
Tease'n'Seize
2024-09-27 09:13:03 UTC
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Post by Hymermut
BT laid fibre up our cul-de-sac four years ago, but they never put in a
box so we can't connect to it.
It's possible they installed fibre for a business, or a new-build, but
are not making it available to existing customers yet.
Soup
2024-09-27 12:30:59 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
[fibre]
Post by Richard Robinson
Not keen that I have to pay extra to keep my landline, either. But,
Resistance Is Futile, here comes The Future. My copper is overhead
across the backyard from a pole. I'll ask the engineer what will be done
with it, and they'll say "Dunno".
AIUI the fibre cable will reach you by the same route as your copper
connection does, i.e. like the current dropwire from the pole.
Not in my case.
The old copper landline cable came in over the back garden (via a
'telegraph pole'and in in the upstairs toilet. The fibre for internet
is under the front garden and through the living room wall.
Brian
2024-09-28 07:00:43 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 17:27:50 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
Good question.
When the fibre was installed for my < rural > home - I opted
for the bundle - TV + internet + telephone - and I received
a complementary UPS that powers the phone for
several hours. Internet & TV not supplied from the UPS.
It adds a little peace-of-mind for calling emergency services
during a power outage, our cell phone coverage is iffy.
John T.
Somehow I cannot imagine that complementary UPS will be offered to all
subscribers.
I understand the ‘early’ BT systems had a ( small) battery in them.
However, the later ones don’t.

We went full fibre about a year back from memory. Ours doesn’t have any
backup.
Tease'n'Seize
2024-09-28 09:08:38 UTC
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Post by Brian
I understand the ‘early’ BT systems had a ( small) battery in them.
However, the later ones don’t.
Depends if you is 'vulnerable', or would like to cnl.
The Nomad
2024-09-28 09:18:27 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:08:38 +0100, Tease'n'Seize
Post by Tease'n'Seize
Post by Brian
I understand the ‘early’ BT systems had a ( small) battery in them.
However, the later ones don’t.
Depends if you is 'vulnerable', or would like to cnl.
OR came to fix my land-line yesterday (suspicious kink/damage just over
the neighbours just trimmed tall hedge) and as FTTP is due in 10 days we
discussed it ...

It seems the 'old' battery backup had a habit of failing due to duff
battery that then failed to supply any power to the ONT ... poor UPS
design if you ask me - or cheap

Avpx
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so far was the ability to turn gold into less gold.
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Tease'n'Seize
2024-09-28 09:48:15 UTC
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Post by The Nomad
It seems the 'old' battery backup had a habit of failing due to duff
battery that then failed to supply any power to the ONT ... poor UPS
design if you ask me - or cheap
AFAIK they use 4xAA NiMH flatteries, the end-user is expected to replace
them when they die, reminds me my DECT phones seem to need replacements.
Richard Robinson
2024-09-24 15:37:36 UTC
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Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
It's not there, I think. It comes with warnings about various medical
devices that won't be supported.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Nicholas D. Richards
2024-09-25 11:24:22 UTC
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Post by Richard Robinson
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
It's not there, I think. It comes with warnings about various medical
devices that won't be supported.
That is "progress" for you.
--
***@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"
Richard Robinson
2024-09-26 09:51:08 UTC
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Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
It's not there, I think. It comes with warnings about various medical
devices that won't be supported.
That is "progress" for you.
The thing about 'progress' is that its direction is relevant.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Sam Plusnet
2024-09-26 19:29:18 UTC
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Post by Richard Robinson
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
What worries me is what happens to your teflone service if you have a
power failure.
It's not there, I think. It comes with warnings about various medical
devices that won't be supported.
That is "progress" for you.
The thing about 'progress' is that its direction is relevant.
Not to a Marketing executive.
nev young
2024-09-26 08:40:35 UTC
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Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
At my abode the fibre takes the same route as the wire does.
The wire is still there. It is old aluminium wire.

I'm currently [no pun intended] molishing a 12v UPS to power the WAN and
LAN at my home including the various routers, wifi APs and CCTVs.
--
Nev
It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.
Richard Robinson
2024-09-26 10:05:49 UTC
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Post by nev young
Post by Richard Robinson
I'm getting my broadband replaced by fibre in a couple of days, and it's
led me to wonder ... what happens to all that redundant copper ?
At my abode the fibre takes the same route as the wire does.
That's what happened here. They brought the new cable in from the old
telegraph pole, following the same route as the old cable, which they
hauled down and sent away "to Scotland", where Something Will Be Done
with it.

Odd priorities people have these days. How to manage the router ?
"Download the app". Blah. Parental controls, protect me from malicious
websites, blah, how to log into the thing, has it got a firewall[1] ? No
fucking mention. I had to hit the search engines to find an ip address
for it, not mentioned anywhere in the customer-phasing documentation.

[1] It hav no ports forwarded, and no apparent possibility of doing
anything else (unless I want a dmz), so I suppose it'll have to do. It
would have been nice to be told , instead of waking up in the middle of
the night realising I didn't know whether it was wide-open vulnerable or
not.
Post by nev young
The wire is still there. It is old aluminium wire.
I'm currently [no pun intended] molishing a 12v UPS to power the WAN and
LAN at my home including the various routers, wifi APs and CCTVs.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
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